Most of what you THINK you know about George Floyd is wrong

You did not read the OP and many conservatives on this forum think Chauvin is good and George Floyd is bad. They tend to be far-right conservatives.

the fact is the jury thought so because they found Chauvin guilty of said crime in a court of law, given all the weight of the evidence presented. That alone answers the question of whether his actions did or severely contributed to George Floyd's death. IMO, Chauvin did not follow his training at all from the moment he saw George Floyd. He should have allowed him to stay in the car, questioned him there, and explained to him there, even if it took 45 minutes to keep the situation from escalating, and eventually have him exit the vehicle if he was going to be placed under arrest, and so forth. Chauvin should have never restrained him or even stated he was under arrest because I saw no PC to do so. He acted hastily without ascertaining the facts first about the fake $20 bill being passed. Yes, he did, but under the actual Wisconsin statute, to be charged with a felony, it must be done with intent. Passing a fake $20 bill is not intended under the law.

 

If pivotal evidence was excluded or was only recently released, and the jury never saw it, then no, it does not clearly answer.

 

Had Darnella Frazier not videoed the torturing to death of George Floyd and posted it to her social media then the liar Chauvin's police statement and the press release of Floyd's death
would have been open and shut.

After her video went viral within hours and when Minneapolis Police Chief Medaria Arradondo was made aware of it the MBCA and the FBI were called in.

And the rest is 22.5 yr history + 3 yrs for Federal guilty plea.




'What the first police statement about George Floyd got wrong'


https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/apr/22/what-first-police-statement-about-george-floyd-got/




"Investigative Update on Critical Incident'
POSTED MAY 26, 2020 JOHN ELDER


https://web.archive.org/web/2020052...r-medical-incident-during-police-interaction/

 

Lol…my squad, eh?
Still, it’s precious that you think you know all about Floyd after watching a few YouTube videos.

 

Nope not true. He died from oxygen deprivation. Seriously, YouTube is not a source of facts. As a medical person, it is clear to me what the cause of death was.

https://drcarlhart.com/we-know-how-george-floyd-died-it-wasnt-from-drugs/
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-george-floyd-kanye-west-police-397984860325
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-george-floyd-autopsy-new-892530421961
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1N3241XJ/

 

The official narrative was that 4 white cops murdered a black guy for giggles. If *I* thought they were all white from the media reporting, then a lot of people, quite possibly including the jury, likely thought the same thing. But it was not true.

As to the issue of a biased jury, there is no way in hell that trial should have been held in that jurisdiction, as the jury was tainted by the politicians who jumped the gun and he was guilty even if he wasn't, and the jury was likely intimidated knowing a not guilty verdict would put their lives and their families in real danger. Of course, since the President of the United States decided to go on national TV and declare the cops guilty before the body was even cold did not help with regards to being impartial and following the concepts of innocent until proven guilty, and of course to not run your mouth about things until some actual evidence is available. So did the Speaker of the House and multiple other Federal "Officials".

This is copied and pasted directly from the official autopsy:

NECK: Layer by layer dissection of the anterior strap muscles of the neck discloses no areas of contusion or hemorrhage within the musculature. The thyroid cartilage and hyoid bone are intact. The larynx is lined by intact mucosa. The thyroid is symmetric and red-brown, without cystic or nodular change. The tongue is free of bite marks, hemorrhage, or other injuries. The cervical spinal column is palpably stable and free of hemorrhage.

Comment: You can't choke someone and not break their hyoid bone or otherwise injure the neck.

An additional quote from the document:
III. No life-threatening injuries identified
A. No facial, oral mucosal, or conjunctival petechiae
B. No injuries of anterior muscles of neck or laryngeal structures
C. No scalp soft tissue, skull, or brain injuries
D. No chest wall soft tissue injuries, rib fractures (other than a single rib fracture from CPR), vertebral column injuries, or visceral injuries
E. Incision and subcutaneous dissection of posterior and lateral neck, shoulders, back, flanks, and buttocks negative for occult trauma

Entire document available here. Make sure you check the lethal doses of several drugs in his system, including fentanyl.

The private "pathologist" had no access to the body, which makes any medical conclusions suspect at best, or fabricated at worse. It has zero credibility.

4. He was officially detained because he passed a fake $20 bill. The officer is the one who made the claim and went on from there.[/QUOTE]

Nope. It was the store clerk who called it in. And Chauvin was not the arresting officer, nor was he even on scene when the first squad car arrived, nor for several minutes afterwards.

The DNA was in saliva, not blood. But, hey, never let the truth get in the way of a good story!

I was unable to find any evidence or even a hint of an allegation, aside from you, that Chauvin ever arrested him previously. In fact, he did not arrest him on this occasion. The prior arrest (Floyd had many, so many in fact, and violent crimes, I personally don't care too much about his multiple drug charges, but armed robbery and other similar crimes. IMO, based on his prior convictions, I do not at all understand why he was on the streets that day in the first place... He should have still been serving time.

BTW, the last known officer to arrest Floyd was interviewed in one of the videos you didn't watch. Contrary to what Floyd claimed on the day of his death, he did not get shot in that occasion.

Once again, the video you didn't watch showed Chauvin's actual training material on the restraint technique used on Floyd. Why the Chief purjured himself and said it didn't exist I can't say, but likely because the fix was in from the word go. You would see this with your own two eyes had you paid attention, or bothered watching at all, which you clearly did not do.

Then why was it in the training materials? Why did multiple other officers say they, too, were trained how to use it, with the diagrams and photos from the manual? You are unaware of these facts because you go off half-cocked with a made-up mind, so anything that calls that into question is clearly a lie, not relevant or meaningful, or fiction created by 'internet sleuths'. None of those people or entities fabricated Chauvin's training materials that are now in the possession of his mother, and were shown in black and white.

That fact is not only not incontrovertible, it's not even true at all.

He started doing that before he ever was put in the car and became combative. The cops put him in one side of the car, but made the mistake of leaving the other door open, so he crawled out of that, which is when he was put on the ground and kicked either one officer twice, or two officers once each, which was not clear, but it shows he was actively fighting, and if you haven't seen the closeups of this dude, he was built like a brick shithouse. Even in my gymrat days I wouldn't have wanted to be in a beef with him, as he would have wiped me on the floor and ceiling.

It might have happened had Floyd not become so combative about not being placed in the car. Had he just done as he was told and simply took a seat, none of the aftermath would have happened and none of us would know Floyd's name, perhaps except those who keep track of prisoners. But, he managed to fight his way out of the car, and the rest is history. Although, with the stress of his own actions having taken a toll on his heart, combined with the fatal dose of drugs, he was probably going to die anyway.

They called for EMS 36 seconds after he hit the ground. Which you would have seen with your own eyes.

On top of all of that, his friend who was in the back seat told him to stop resisting, and another bystander told him to stop fighting or he was going to hurt himself. If it is relevant, both of those persons were black.

 

That is a fact that was shown in the videos. Shortness of breath, as most of us know, is a symptom of impending heart issues, and may have been reflective of that, or may have reflected the fact that he swallowed some fentanyl pills, and possible some other substance. You can even see the pills in his mouth in a freeze frame from when he was still in whatever car he was driving. He also kept saying it when on the ground with nobody on him yet, and if you can speak that clearly, you can breathe. If he was in fact experiencing shortness of breath, given that he started saying it long before he was put in a restraint hold, and continued after he was, is indicative of it being cardiac, because if you really can't breathe, you can't speak.

Anyone who doesn't believe me, hold your breath for say 45 seconds, and then without inhaling, try to speak and see what happens.

 

The actual ME's report was done by an actual ME who had access to the body. The family sponsored 'autopsy' (which was no such thing) did not. I linked the report above.

 

Chauvin was not on scene when he was pulled out of his car, handcuffed, and placed under arrest for forgery. Perhaps Floyd was innocently spending a bill he got as change or from an ATM (though I think those are designed to detect those and not dispense them), but he immediately got combative and uncooperative, so a discussion on those lines could not happen due to Floyd's behavior.

Damn, man, you speak like you know what you're talking about, but if you are unaware of basic simple facts like that, perhaps you should do a little research before opening your mouth.

 

I’m thinking you don’t possess enough medical knowledge to understand that is possible to occlude one’s oxygen supply without causing physical trauma like pressure from a knee. You could hear him say he couldn’t breathe and the officer was resting his knee on his neck, not beating the crap out of him. Actual strangulation, hands around neck might cause hyoid bone breakage. You can easily cut off air supply by compressing arteries/veins. You are simply posting opinions that are not medically sound.

I have also pointed out information related to fentanyl levels. It was not a lethal dose.

 

The ring leader Chauvin is a sadistic psychopath.

'George Floyd was not just killed — he was tortured'

"Torture is a kind of torment that is purposefully delivered on a totally dominated person in the name of a public authority. It is structured to make the person tortured feel that they are utterly powerless. To succeed, torturers — whether they are policemen or soldiers or paramilitaries or others acting for them — must impress on the person they are torturing that they have total control over the tortured person’s body: that the person can do nothing to stop them.'

snip:

"The lesson we learn from the video of George Floyd’s final minutes is that in these tasks and in these places it is possible for torturers to establish a relationship with someone they are torturing which makes plain to them that their life is worthless, and their cries for help are pointless. No hidden chamber was necessary to do this. A roadside will do just as well to deny a person civil status: not just certain civil rights but any civil identity at all; to deny that they are anything other than merely human, and therefore, nothing if not dispensable."

https://www.abc.net.au/religion/george-floyd-was-tortured/12387198

 

The evidence may have only been recently released, but if it wasn't available at the trial, then that not the fault of anyone. Chauvin could use that in an appeal to overturn his conviction, but no appeals court would do that since the rules are different once you are found guilty. Chauvin has already lost on one appeal in the lower courts and the conservative Supreme Court refused to hear the case, thus no new trial will be granted.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-su...auvins-appeal-george-floyd-murder-2023-11-20/

 

First, shortness of breath can mean anything. It may indicate asthma, cardiac arrest, pulmonary issues, or something much worse. But only a qualified medical professional could make that determination. If an officer sees that, or if the person says that to them, their very next call as a police officer is to get an EMS unit to the scene ASAP, keep the person sit up, or lay on the ground on his back, no restraints because he is in no position to flee and render first aid as they are trained to do. Even getting him a cup of water or something cold that is not alcoholic would be acceptable. But Chauvin did not do that, did he? And that means he did not follow through on his training and this was not an active shooter situation or anything else like that.

 

Boo-****ing-Hoo Derek.
You're right where you deserve to be.

'Derek Chauvin's lawyer asks a Minnesota appeals court to toss his murder convictions'
UPDATED JANUARY 18, 2023

snip:

'Our primary argument here is that this case could not be tried in Minneapolis because of the pretrial publicity which was pervasive ... and also just the physical pressure on the courthouse," Mohrman said.

Former Acting U.S. Solicitor General Neal Katyal, representing the state of Minnesota, countered the defense's claims by calling Chauvin's trial "one of the most transparent and thorough ... in our nation's history."

He said that many of the arguments before the appeals court "do not come close" to justifying a reversal, and that even if they did, "the evidence of Chauvin's guilt was captured on video for the world to see."

https://www.npr.org/2023/01/18/1149726017/derek-chauvin-appeal-murder-george-floyd

 

Oh so now you have the pharmacological knowledge to identify fentanyl pills in somebody’s mouth. He stopped breathing due to pressure on his neck vein/artery. You are posting incorrect information regarding fentanyl and are making medical decisions you have no business in making. You can’t make any statements regarding his cardiac status. He could speak enough to say he couldn’t breathe and this is in a video where Chauvin has his knee on his neck.

Okay, I’m lying in bed right now having a bit of difficulty breathing. Can I speak— yes. But I have a compromised 02 saturation, not due to cardiac issues but because I’m getting over a serious case of right-lobe pneumonia, in hospital until yesterday. Now, if somebody came in and cut off my airflow by putting pressure on my neck, I would likely die and the pneumonia would have nothing to do with it. This thread needs to go in the conspiracy section.

 

Procedural failures, on the part of either the system or the defendant doesn't say anything about if the man actually did what he is claimed to have done. So the question of what actually happened remains, and such pivotal new evidence (if that's what it is) does re-raise the actual factual question, regardless of if he stays in jail or not.

 

If you saw the trial this was such a powerful testimony, the state's first witness.
Interesting that it was 2 females that came to Floyd's defense, Darnella Frazier's video, Jena Scurry, dispatcher and actually it was 3 females, the firefighter in the crowd that wanted to give Floyd medical aid and was told no by Thao.


The police dispatcher Jena Scurry was watching the screens and at first thought the screen showing 3 cops on top of someone had frozen because there was no movement.
Going with her "gut feeling" she called the Sargent, referred to herself as a "snitch" and explained her concern about excessive force being used.

10:25 and 14:40, audio of call to her Sargent.
Without even being able to see Chauvin's knee Scurry knew what excessive force looked like.

 

No, that is the narrative you tried to portray. The news media identified all four officers before the trial began, and they were identified by the very same police department they worked four. Chauvin was the lead officer. He took charge of the scene and the provided instructions of what the other officers should do. Two of them had crowd control duties, and per their orders did not allow anyone near the scene, including two off duty EMS Technicians who testified at the trial on what they saw from a distance. Basically, they saw a person in distress and offered to help, but were denied originally, and when George Floyd was uncounscios, then offered to help. Once George Floyd was unconscious, it was too late for George Floyd. This sequence of events is incontrovertible.

What was the determination of the ME Examiner's death per your own link? Although the link does not show the entire document, it does say, "CARDIOPULMONARY ARREST COMPLICATING LAW ENFORCEMENTSUBDUAL, RESTRAINT, AND NECK COMPRESSION." In other words, this was a homicide as the conclusion by the ME, not a drug overdose in which you claimed in your OP.

Here is another exercpt:

I. Blunt force injuries
A. Cutaneous blunt force injuries of the forehead, face, and upper lip
B. Mucosal injuries of the lips
C. Cutaneous blunt force injuries of the shoulders, hands, elbows, and legs
D. Patterned contusions (in some areas abraded) of the wrists, consistent with restraints (handcuffs).

Although not life-threatening, there were injuries. Particula or note is the evidence of a violent restraint in A, B, and C. D identifies restraint by handcuffs.

But the problem is that none of the evidence points to drugs in his system as the cause of death, the ME ruled it a homicide, and there were drugs found in the system, per your own report, but the ME concluded it was not life threatening at all. He listed the toxicology report, but nothing indicated a drug overdose. That idea came from conservative media alone, not the ME.

Nope. It was the store clerk who called it in. And Chauvin was not the arresting officer, nor was he even on scene when the first squad car arrived, nor for several minutes afterwards.[/QUOTE]
Private pathologist reviewed the medical findings, the pictures, the toxicology report, etc, and pretty much drew up the same conclusion. He uses a somewhat different technic called forensic patholody examination of the evidence to draw their conclusions. If you have a private pathologist from the family of the victim and a ME drawing the same conclusion, then you know something is afoot with Chauvin's actions.

DNA is in hair folicles, saliva, bone marrow, and blood. But the point is that there is a fact of public record that Chauvin did arrest George Floyd a couple of months ago prior to this incident. I think it was June or July on a drug charge. Police officers on patrol often use the same vehicle unless their vehicle is in the shop. This is not like a rental agency here. So, it can explain why the DNA was found in Chauvin's vehicle, which had nothing to do with the actual incident since he was never in that vehicle to begin with. He was transported by EMS and where he died.

George Floyd did have a rap sheet, but it was mostly drug related. In those instances, Chauvin was one of the arresting officers. You need the actual arrest report to find out. But right now, media is focused exclusively, or has been, on the incident that day.

Second, I said yes, people lie all the time including George Floyd. So, I never claimed what you are claiming. That would be lying on your part Dentalfloss. But whether it was a lie or not is not the point. A police officer should not escelate a situaiton unless it was absolutely necessary. From the entire Body Cam Footage of that day, there was no indication that Floyd was violent, and officers are to treat each scene or potential scene based on the facts at hand. Additionally, we do know that George Floyd and Derek Chauvin had a history together by working at the same club. There are reports that they didn't get along, thus, there is evidence that Chauvin knew who he was and may help explain why Chauvin did what he did that day.

I will not watch politically motivated videos that take certain facts and ignore all the others. The other incontrovertible fact is that the Jury, with all the evidence presented at trial at THAT TIME concluded beyond a reasonable doubt that Chauvin was guilty of the charges before him. He pled guilty to the federal crimes that were to serve concurrently. He chose to serve his entire sentence in Federal Prison instead of state prison, probably thinking he would get a better deal. It didn't happen that way since he was stabbed with severe injuries at the Tuscon facility. He will probably be moved to another facility with similar conditions, but even those inmates would be gunning for him since he is a "celebrity inmate" and a former cop. that is just above snitch in prison and a pedophile in the lower ranking among inmates.

Furthermore, the Chief of Police nor the Chief Inspector perjured themselves on the stand. That is an internet lie. The policy handbook was presented as evidence, specifically, the pages that both the prosecution and the defense used. Nowhere in that policy handbook showed the type of restraint was to be used. On the contrary, it was quite clear it should not be used under any circumstances. It was even read aloud in trial if I am not mistaken by either the Chief of Police or the Inspector, a senior commander within the police department.

The neck restraint is stated not to be used. There are other types of restraints the police officer can use, but not this specific neck restraint. Some police departments do allow this, but as a general rule, it is not allowed. Whoever you are listening too is fudging at the very least or using a different training material on what was used. Hypothetically, the defense team should have objected to the perjury, but they didn't, did they? Why is that? Because there was no perjury to begin with. Criminal and prosecution defense lawyers know what the witness can and cannot say. If the prosecution witness is lying, then the defense under cross examination is to get them to admit that. They didn't. Or they could object and have the entire testimony stricken from the record if the perjury was egregious enough. Since neither happened, then that is more opinion than fact, an uneducated opinion, but not fact.

That is a standard line or tactic by police who, really, really want to arrest someone. It gives "an excuse." Floyd in the beginning was very apprehensive when approached by Chauvin. Anyone would generally, even people who are apprehensive when stopped by police on a routine traffic stop in the middle of the night are apprehensive to some extent. But for a black person, it is to be expected. Hard for us "white folks" to understand that since we don't usually have the same experiences with police as black folks have had historically in this country, as a general rule.

The point is that there should not have been that type of restraint if he was having a medical emergency to begin with. That goes against all training. although he was argumentative, hesitant, etc, he wasn't combative until he was thrown on the ground unexpectedly by Chauvin. That is a natural response by anyone. Thus, no PC to do that, no evidence to do that, no threat to the officers at that time to do that, etc. In other words, Chauvin escalated the situation on his lonesome, ignored policy on that incident, and now there are reports after his firing that he did that on more than one occasion.

So again, this is pretty much factoids here, ignores some of the most damaging evidence against Chauvin, and was not protected by the "thin blue line" that is infamous in police history, the movies, and tv shows. Chauvin did this on his own, was found guilty by his peers, and nothing is going to change that.

 

I think the facts show the picture. Body cam footage clearly shows he was using a neck restraint with George Floyd lying on his stomach, clearly shown by Chauvin's body cam footage. In that footage at the very beginning, he did ask Floyd why he was there to begin with, and Floyd said no. It went downhill from there. It is also clear under testimony and by the policy handbook that Derek Chauvin violated police policy and procedures. The ME showed it was a homicide and gave the reasons why it was a homicide, even concluding that the type of restraint used caused the homicide based on the autopsy report. The enlarged heart is a medical issue, but no one, not the defense or the prosecution, brought up if George Floyd knew it was an issue. It probably, in all likelihood, an undiagnosed condition that George Floyd had, and a symptom of our health care system in which he probably did not have the insurance and funds to go get it checked out, to begin with, and why he took the drugs that he did, to begin with. But all in all, the jury found Chauvin guilty, which means, they accepted the prosecution theory that Chauvin committed homicide in the manner that they described.

Now that Chauvin was found guilty, the bar is set even higher than beyond a reasonable doubt. His appeal for a new trial was rejected, even by a conservative Supreme Court to hear the case. He could appeal again, but the chances of him getting a new trial or even having the verdict set aside is beyond remotely slim at this point. But he has time on his hands, and go to the prison law library to read, read, and read, while filing multiple appeals. Inmates do you know who are serving life or very long sentences, whether in the Federal Correctional system or the State correctional system.

 

You watched a fentanyl overdose. Deal with it.

 

That defense/lie worked out real well for Chauvin and his 3 thugs as they all sit in prison.
That Floyd died from a drug overdose was shot to smithereens during the trial.
Damn those DMV-DUI arrest statistics, eh? lol

• 'No evidence drug overdose was main cause of death for George Floyd in 2020'

By Reuters Fact Check
November 8, 20222:27

'Dr. Daniel Isenschmid, a forensic toxicologist, testified during Chauvin’s trial that the level of methamphetamine found in Floyd’s blood was comparable to levels found in samples taken from living people detained for driving under the influence of narcotics (here).

The sheer volume of videos of Floyd’s arrest makes it clear that physical signs associated with opioid overdose were not seen in the moments before his death, Dr. Lindsey Thomas, an assistant Hennepin County medical examiner until 2017, also testified during Chauvin’s trial.

Under cross examination by Chauvin’s lead lawyer, Baker said that certain heart diseases or use of opioids can be fatal but that neither directly caused Floyd’s death. Instead, he believed it was the holds and compression by police officers.

“My opinion remains unchanged: it’s what I put on the death certificate last June,” Baker said to the jury. “That was my top line then. It would stay my top line now.”

Other medical experts supported Baker’s findings during the trial. Dr. Martin Tobin, a critical care doctor, testified that any “healthy person subjected to” Floyd’s circumstances “would have died” (here).

Reuters reporting on additional expert testimony during the trial that countered the defense’s claim that opioid use caused Floyd’s death can be found (here), (here), (here) and (here).


https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1N3241XJ/



Fentanyl in George Floyd system not enough to cause death

USA Today
https://www.usatoday.com › factcheck › 2021/04/16


Apr 16, 2021 — Dr. Daniel Isenschmid, a toxicologist at NMS Labs in Pennsylvania, presented data at trial from more than 2,300 blood samples in fentanyl DUI ...

 

What everyone likes to ignore here is two facts....
A. Floyd would still be alive if he did not pass counterfeit money.
B. Floyd would still be alive if he did not resist arrest like a dumbass

 

You are wrong.

But keep making up whatever helps you seep at night.

 

It would change nothing. SCIENCE proved that Chauvin killed George Floyd. I know your righties arent too keen on science because it based on facts, and not feelings

This case is settled, done, and over. Chauvin killed Floyd, it was proven by science, and adjudicated in a court of law, which is governed by that constitution you so covet.

 

Well science disagrees with you……as does a jury of his peers

By the way, where is your medical degree from, Trump University ?