MTG Let's Bomb Mexico

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  1. Lucifer

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    So let me see if I have this correct....MTG, the same Congress critter who talked about Jewish space lasers, now wants to use the might of military hardware to randomly strike at Mexican cartels. Such ignorance would normally be laughed at, but the underlying cause is her Trump cheerleading. There is no conceivable way this idea would work without years of surveillance and intel to pull off, not to mention the costs, but of course, the potential to kill innocent Mexican civilians is not a concern for her. It only underscores her bigotry in addition to her stupidity.

    Let's also be clear, fentanyl is a legal medical drug, it's just that it is being used to spike other drugs. So, people who want to illegally buy Adderal, or oxycodone, or god knows what else, are buying this off the streets without knowledge of what is in them. Same with folks who have heroin or other opioid addiction, they're not getting what they think they are buying. This doesn't make logical sense because even drug dealers want their clientele to continue coming to them for their drugs, not kill them off. Usually, this happens because something in the illegal supply chain goes awry, or bad actors are trying to mess up the more powerful drug supplier..

    This isn't about drugs, it is about the continual hate and bigotry the extreme right uses to sway the minion.
     
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    The drug cartels control the Mexican government, military, and police. It is why the migrants are coming here. This will never change unless the USA interferes. But the drug cartels have the reach to do grievous harm to the US homeland through their network of connections operating across the USA at this moment.
     
  3. Xyce

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    IT'S A BLACK MARKET! It's irrelevant that there is a demand. Right now, there are laws against what they are marketing. They ignore our laws, they break are laws, and it's costing thousands of Americans their lives each year. Right now, what we are doing is obviously ineffective. We need to take the kid's gloves off and actually start putting boots to assess. The cartel will only learn by strength, not diplomatic pussyfooting and the occasional arrest.
     
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    It is interesting. When mostly non-white people attack our country, whether directly or indirectly, the Democrats do little to nothing. When a mostly white country, like Russia, interferes in our elections, they throw millions of dollars at a special counsel investigation and start a proxy war. Interesting how that happens.
     
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    Wrong. Fentanyl that comes from a legitimate pharmacy is a Schedule II drug, which is just above Schedule I drugs, which include heroin and LSD. That's the legal form. When fentanyl is mentioned in the news, it's "illicit fentanyl, primarily manufactured in foreign clandestine labs and smuggled into the United States through Mexico," and that "is being mixed in with other illicit drugs to increase the potency of the drug, sold as powders and nasal sprays, and increasingly pressed into pills made to look like legitimate prescription opioids." You can always count on the left side of this forum to muddy the waters about the discussion of drugs.
     
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    A totally ignorant post.
     
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    There is a black market because of the demand by people choosing to use illegal drugs. Again, I can’t help you understand all this. I tried. I really did. Good luck to you.
     
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    No, it's a black market because it's ILLEGAL. We have LAWS against it. We have laws against it because those drugs KILL PEOPLE, and they have NO REDEEMING QUALITY, MEDICINAL OR OTHERWISE. The cartels are disregarding this and exploiting people's addiction. What we are doing is clearly NOT working. If we start droning these people, perhaps that would get the message across.
     
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    I have seen no evidence that the cartels are behind the Mexican government. However, Cartels do have their corruption schemes into the government much like our lobbying has it in ours.
     
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    It has been mixed. We had success in Columbia and Yukatan Pennisula, we have plenty of programs to use peer pressure on drug use, especially illicit drug use. But the DEA in 2008 had its teeth yanked out on the prescription misuse that was a pandemic in the early to mid 2010s.
     
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    Millions and millions of Mexican citizens also elected their president. Does that make him bad too?
     
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    Who cares what the Mexicans did?
     
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    So you are equating immigration into invasion? Is that because they have a different culture, skin color, etc than you and why you fear them? Would it be better if 1 million Canadians decided to come here illegalls. After all, there is no wall between Canada and the USA. Quite easy, right? Would you be saying the same thing? Probably not because you identify with the culture as similar as ours.

    There have been better ways proposed int he past. One was the comprehensive Immigration Reform Act from 2006 and again in 2013. And I have proposed other ways as well. Solve the root problems of illegal immigration, mainly providing more economic opportunities in the home countries of where the illegals come from. This would mean an increase in foreign aid, trade agreements, and other avenues. In addition, provide training and incentives to get rid of the corruption in the Central American Countries so that its own people can feel safe again. And get rid of the chokeholds in legal immigration with certain quotas from certain countries. But that requires thinking and breathing, two skills that modern conservatives do not possess these days.
     
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    Fentanyl has both legal and illegal uses. If you ever have to go under anesthesia, you will have some form of fentanyl being used, among other things. Second, it is the synthetic fentanyl that is being smuggled, cut in with either crack cocaine or just cocaine/marijuana.

    Second, what you quoted is not homicide. Accidental overdose is the correct terminology. Most bought the drugs, injected themselves with the drugs, and then overdosed from the drugs. Even the FBI and every local law enforcement agency would agree with me on this.

    try again
     
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    posted a link on another forum pointing out MTGs likeness to reinhard heydrich and got a penalty so im only posting a link here
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Heydrich
     
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    Dude, that is in essence what I have said, except for your overtly biased opinion in the last sentence which does squat to make you look like you know what you are talking about.
     
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    Fake news. 'CBS News reported'
     
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    No, dude, that isn't the essence of what you said.

    You said:

    "Let's also be clear, fentanyl is a legal medical drug, it's just that it is being used to spike other drugs. So, people who want to illegally buy Adderal, or oxycodone, or god knows what else, are buying this off the streets without knowledge of what is in them"

    That is not what we are talking about. Or at least that is not the entire discussion. When illicit fentanyl is mentioned it is fentanyl "being mixed in with other illicit drugs to increase the potency of the drug."
     
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    I can't figure out the syntax of your sentence, but if you are trying to spit out that they're both made in China....then duh!

    This is decades in the making.
     
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    It's fairly simple. There is no good reason that you should have difficulty with it.
     
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    Not a horrible idea. Mexico is letting invaders into our country. A few well placed bombs which would limit injuries to lives and property could be very effective since the liberal news would plaster that everywhere, discouraging migrants from coming. We need to discourage them from coming instead of encouraging them to come as the democrats do.
     
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    Neither agreed with or justified it. Simply compared it to the hypothetical (bombing Mexico). With the cartels, there are no certain areas. They are pretty much everywhere and thus, bombing the cartels would mean massive bombing raids which would result in massive collateral damage, you know, hundreds if not thousands of those pesky innocents killed, men. women, and children. But hey, it's only Mexico, so what the hell, right?
     
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    Which is the main reason for why I think bombing them is a terrible idea, in addition to the fact that all cartels need to do is walk across the borders into US cities that sit directly on or near the border.
     

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