Mueller closing in on Trump in Russian probe

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  1. Sandy Shanks

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    It was a photo-op meant to portray President Donald Trump at his most commanding: Flanked by senior military leaders, Trump was there to plot America's response to a suspected chemical gas attack in Syria.

    To the embarrassment of the National Security Council, Defense Department officials, and the Joint Chiefs of Staff and their cadres, Trump flew into a rage. Instead of the very serious matter concerning Syria and our options, his boiling display in the White House Cabinet Room on Monday evening only served to underscore the President's most visible weakness: His ambient rage over Robert Mueller's Russia investigation.

    "That is really now in a whole new level of unfairness," Trump bemoaned at the start of his meeting with military leaders.The special counsel, Trump declared, was conducting a "total witch hunt." The investigation into his campaign's ties to Russia amounts to "an attack on our country in a true sense."

    "An attack on our country?" Only Trump with his monster super ego could be so presumptuous as to say an investigation of him is an "attack on our country?

    James Mattis sat stone-faced across the table, his hands folded and his eyes cast downward. Bolton, sitting to Trump's left, adjusted his glasses and fiddled with his pen. Our military leaders looked on silently as the commander in chief attacked his attorney general, deputy attorney general and special counsel.

    Trump "believes he has the power to" fire special counsel Robert Mueller, White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said Tuesday. "He certainly believes he has the power to do so," Sanders said when asked whether Trump believes he has that power.
     
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    Cohen may have said it, and I think he did. That doesn't make it true.

    The FBI raiding the President's lawyer's office, home, and hotel room is an extremely serious matter. There is no doubt they crossed all the T's and dotted all the I's. They had to have good reasons. Reasons a judge would understand. Lawyer/client privilege is sacrosanct, especially the President's lawyer.

    Trump's rage is designed to cover up his real emotion. He is scared to death.
     
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    Millions believe that a non-violent coup to overthrow a duly elected president is truely an attack on the country. Of course the coup leaders, as always, believe otherwise.
    Maybe they say and think that solely because he absolutely does have such authority and power. (Quick! Change the subject!)
     
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    Sandy Shanks Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    :roflol:That's hilarious. Did you get that off the Donald J. Trump website? Sounds like something he would say.

    The impeachment of the President is provided for in our Constitution. It has happened 2 1/2 times in our history. Are you really that ignorant or were you trying to be funny?

    Of course, hiring and firing are powers the President has. That is beside the point.

    You must pay closer attention to what is the point.

    Is it your turn this week to waste my time with dumbass posts?
     
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    Putin backed Trump because he thought Trump is stupid and incompetent. Trump is proving Putin was correct. However, Putin may have overplayed his hand.

    Is Trump so freaking stupid that he would fire on Russian targets in Syria?

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    Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump



    Russia vows to shoot down any and all missiles fired at Syria. Get ready Russia, because they will be coming, nice and new and “smart!” You shouldn’t be partners with a Gas Killing Animal who kills his people and enjoys it!

    3:57 AM - Apr 11, 2018

    What an idiot.

    Hard to believe some Americans actually voted for this fool.
     
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    Impeachment is only one of the tools the Democrats are playing with to overthrow the president. They will push all of their tools until they find one that might work. No one is fooled by the impeachment or the 25th amendment camouflage. Impeachment constitutionally requires treason, bribery or other high crimes and misdemeanors while in office, yet impeachment was thrown against the wall to see if it might stick days after Trump was president. You had none of those criteria then, and still don't to this day -- not including the myths in your imagination of course. You do not have crime one that Trump has committed
    I am also sure Trump is aware of the coup effort going on.

    Here is your post, "Trump "believes he has the power to" fire special counsel Robert Mueller." If you were stating that Trump has the power to fire Mueller, your quotation marks are what are dumbass.
     
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    Impeachment is a means to "overthrow" the government? Are you really that stupid? Are you trying to defend Trump with your incomprehensible ignorance? That is pretty close to the dumbest statement I have heard on this forum and that is saying something. You are unbelievable. Aw, you are from Texas. That explains it. Bet you voted for Trump.

    You also have a reading problem. I didn't say that. Sarah said it. I wrote:

    Trump "believes he has the power to" fire special counsel Robert Mueller, White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said Tuesday. "He certainly believes he has the power to do so," Sanders said when asked whether Trump believes he has that power.

    The quote marks are right where they should be.

    Don't bother replying if the post is going to be as dumb as this one. Jeez!
     
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    Special counsel Robert Mueller’s team has either indicted or gotten guilty pleas from a number of Trump associates with ties to Russia. Five of these people have already pleaded guilty — the latest being former Trump campaign staffer Rick Gates, who signed a plea deal and committed to cooperate with Mueller’s investigation.

    George Papadopoulos, former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, pleaded guilty in October to making false statements to the FBI.

    Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser, pleaded guilty in December to making false statements to the FBI.

    Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chair, was indicted in October in Washington, DC on charges of conspiracy, money laundering, false statements, and failure to disclose foreign assets — all related to his work for Ukrainian politicians before he joined the Trump campaign. He’s pleaded not guilty on all counts. Then, in February, Mueller filed a new case against him in Virginia, with tax, financial, and bank fraud charges.

    Rick Gates, a former Trump campaign aide and Manafort’s longtime junior business partner, was indicted on similar charges to Manafort. But he has now agreed to a plea deal with Mueller’s team, pleading guilty to just one false statements charge and one conspiracy charge.

    Alex van der Zwaan: This London lawyer pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI about his contacts with Rick Gates and another unnamed person based in Ukraine. Van der Zwaan’s father-in-law is Russian oligarch German Khan who is close to Putin.

    Trump's son, son-in-law, and campaign manager met with Russian operatives at Trump's home, Trump Tower, in June 2016.

    Robert, an awful lot of people close to Trump have been associated with the Russians. Can you imagine all this going on around Trump and Trump knows nothing about it, particularly his son, son-in-law, and campaign manager? That is rather difficult to believe.
     
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    There are some notable Republicans in the Establishment who are supportive, albeit more quiet, of impeaching the President.

    Where you get off claiming the Constitutionally mandated impeachment process is a means of overthrowing the President is beyond me. Impeachment means the President really screwed up by being convicted of treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.

    What you are saying is that the court was wrong by denying a guy of his freedom because he robbed a bank.

    The fact of the matter is, if Trump is impeached, you want to blame someone else. You would chose not to admit that it was Trump who did the wrongdoing much like Nixon and Clinton.
     
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    Duh!

    Mueller has not submitted his report yet. He has been on the job less than a year. Give him time. Watergate took two years before Nixon resigned to avoid impeachment. He was later pardoned by Ford. That cost Ford the Presidency.
     
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    "With ties to Russia...." Nice clever (too much by a half) slippery phrase. 'He had ties to Russia"....(wink), (wink). Do you have any idea how many American citizens have ties to Russia? You can start with Obama and Hillary Clinton -- there is two already!

    Robert said and meant 'nothing close to indictments for Trump or his campaign over their collusion with Russia and the election.' Your lengthy "rebuttal" list rebutted nothing.
     
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    Republican leaders in Congress vehemently oppose the idea of Trump firing Mueller. Trump's target now might be Rosenstein. From the Republican point of view, there is no difference although they may hold off on impeachment until after the election so that the Democrats would be blamed.
     
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    Yes, so where does the so-called impeachment of Trump come from? There are none of those requirements today, and certainly were none within days after Trump became president when talk of "impeachment" began.
     
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    Obama and Clinton? Who cares? Neither is President. Neither has the number of Russian entanglements that Trump has. Name one member of Clinton's team or Obama's administration who had close ties to Russia in the manner of Manafort and Gates? Explain the ties.

    "... or his campaign" I named five members of Trump's campaign. There is also Page, Stone, and Sessions. Name one member of Clinton's campaign who met with the Russian ambassador twice, once in the staff member's office.
     
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    That is what the Mueller investigation is all about. Wait until he submits his report. Then we will see what happens.

    I am not aware of that. Certainly there were many early complaints, but no serious talk of impeachment. Please provide proof of your statement.

    As things stand today, there is no serious attempt at impeachment. True, representatives Al Green and Brad Sherman, two House Democrats, have written up articles of impeachment. That is more of a political stunt then any serious attempt at impeachment.
     
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    Again you drifted far into the past. Funny how this is one of your major complaints about other posters.
     
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    Trump's desperate need to destroy public servants and institutions in their pursuit of justice confirms his conviction that he will not be exonerated by the evidence that is being uncovered by them. His rage is because, for Trump, it is all about Trump, not about truth or the well-being of the nation.
     
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    Manafort and Gates worked with Ukraine. Do you believe Putin is the president or prime minister there? Also you complain over those of us bring up the past yet you harp on issues over Manafort and Gates that happened long ago. Why is that?
     
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    There are no impeachable issues concerning Trump.
     
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    Trump has not hinted he would fire Mueller. But count on the deceiving media to persuade you otherwise.
     
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    This thread was started in August of last year....and Mueller is "closing in".....:roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    Sorry you struck out. It had to truly disappoint you since you swung and missed. Your claims are it was over Russia and the election meddling. None of those men did any of that.

    There is more to blame Facebook over than to blame Trump or his men over. In major cases you mentioned it was well ahead of Trump being part of the election process.
     
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    As usual, really this time, closing in. :dual:
     
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    You implied that having ties with Russians is a sign of criminality; or did you mean only if you're associated with Trump?
    Yes, you did name five members of the Trump campaign that Mueller has criminally accused or charged, but you named none that were charged or accused of colluding with the Russians to affect the election. You see the difference?........... Well, no, I bet not.
    Millions of donations to the Clinton foundation from Russians -- including the guy Mueller is climbing up Trump's back for giving a measly sum to the Trump foundation, or the $500,000 Bill got for a speech coincident with the closing the Uranium One deal............ Oops! Waste of time. Anyone who claims Obama and Hillary and a thousand others do not have ties to Russians doesn't know enough to come in out of the rain.
     
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    That is what I said: nothing to come close to justifying impeachment
     
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