Mueller closing in on Trump in Russian probe

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  1. RodB

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    In December 2016, Democratic Senators Elizabeth Warren, Dick Durbin, Chris Coons, Ben Cardin and Jeff Merkley introduced a bill that would require the President of the United States to divest any assets that could raise a conflict of interest, including a statement that the failure to divest such assets would constitute high crimes and misdemeanors "under the impeachment clause of the U.S. Constitution".
     
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    Tds near point of psychotic break
     
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    What are you talking about, Robert?
     
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    Work on your short term memory.
     
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    Of course. In addition, his recent tweets concerning Syria, Comey, and McCabe are treasonous, infantile, vindictive, and extremely un-Presidential.

    I am not at all sure what his supporters see in him. I think most are afraid to admit they screwed up.

    On Syria, he really messed up when he taunted Russia. Now our military is forced to respond in some way. But how? Another useless raid like a year ago? Or something more substantial which could easily cause unintended consequences? I would hate to be Mattis. He is the one who will decide.

    If only Trump had kept his mouth shut. Mattis truly then would have all options on the table. But Trump didn't, and Mattis hasn't.

    Impeachment, 25th Amendment, I don't care. Trump is a danger to our country. He has got to go.
     
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    Manafort is awaiting trial. Gates has pleaded out and is working with Mueller. Robert, that is happening now. Quit using your own ignorance as a tactic. You are making yourself look foolish.
     
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    Or the deceiving press secretary. Robert, the press secretary speaks for the President.

    Trump "believes he has the power to" fire special counsel Robert Mueller, White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said Tuesday. "He certainly believes he has the power to do so," Sanders said when asked whether Trump believes he has that power.
     
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    Bravo, very good, except for one very important point. Those are not articles of impeachment. They are not even grounds for impeachment.

    What the Democrats is in play today. Mueller is probably investigating that approach.

    However, I can see where you might be confused. At least I can see where you are coming from.
     
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    Prior to being around Trump and as I told you it was due to Ukraine not Russia. Stop dragging up old past events.
     
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    Sanders only replied to the question asked by the Media. Every Time she speaks to the media, it peppers her with such questions. I believe so they can print yet one more fake news story.
     
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    One of the wildest things yet said. Trump will be fine for both terms.
     
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    Manafort got himself in debt with one of Putin's favorite Oligarchs (OVD) and owed that very dangerous person millions. He referenced OVD when he sent an e-mail asking if Putin and OVD had noticed that he had access to Trump IN 2016!!
     
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    And her words are the words of Trump. She is his spokesperson.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do you have doubts as to what Trump legally can do? Sanders has no doubts.
     
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    That has nothing to do with Trump. Manafort may be found innocent as well.
     
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    Sorry, Charlie. You claimed nobody was talking impeachment in December2016 and challenged me to show there was. Spin it any way you like.
     
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    Nope, but this is what Manafort and Gates actually did, per the charges.

    As it says, it has nothing to do with Trump.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/22/us/politics/paul-manafort-new-charges-mueller.html
     
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    Those are the charges so far. But then there's this

    On the evening of April 11, 2016, two weeks after Donald Trump hired the political consultant Paul Manafort to lead his campaign’s efforts to wrangle Republican delegates, Manafort emailed his old lieutenant Konstantin Kilimnik, who had worked for him for a decade in the Ukrainian capital, Kiev.

    “I assume you have shown our friends my media coverage, right?” Manafort wrote.

    “Absolutely,” Kilimnik responded a few hours later from Kiev. “Every article.”

    “How do we use to get whole,” Manafort asks. “Has OVD operation seen?”

    According to a source close to Manafort, the initials “OVD” refer to Oleg Vladimirovich Deripaska, a Russian oligarch and one of Russia’s richest men. The source also confirmed that one of the individuals repeatedly mentioned in the email exchange as an intermediary to Deripaska is an aide to the oligarch.

    Mueller of course has those e-mails as well.

    Check that date
     
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    Again, lying to obtain a loan does not tie Manafort to Russia nor meddling nor much more than the alleged fraud.
     
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    What?

    Your posts grow more obtuse by the day.

    Manafort is shown to be trying to "leverage" his position in the Trump campaign with Russian Mob "creditors"
     
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    No one knows if the accusation has any truth, but in any case I see no criminality and certainly nothing related to meddling in the election, arm waving and flailing not withstanding. I think that was Robert's point.
     
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    Trumps collusion is a joke. And for this thread to continue on over fake news is a joke also. Time to close it.
     
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    Perhaps, I didn't make myself clear. I was referring to serious attempts at impeachment, for example, a bill containing articles of impeachment.

    Yes, since we knew from a report from our intelligence agencies in October 2016 that the Russians interfered in our election on Trump's behalf, there some talk about impeaching Trump. But it was just talk, and it was meaningless.

    Despite foolish attempts by some Democrats to write a bill containing articles of impeachment, that is still true today. There is no serious attempt to impeach Trump ... yet.
     
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    You wrote this post without quoting any of the evidence contained in this thread. That is because it is not fake news or a joke. You wouldn't dare write these comments with the evidence attached.

    You simply are avoiding reality.
     
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    Robert, Manafort is not charged with obtaining a loan. He is charged with money laundering and collaborating with the Kremlin. It is significant that his deputy and close friend has already pleaded guilty and is working with Mueller.
     

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