Multiple Iranian ballistic missiles smash into US Army base in Iraq with huge fireball explosion

Try again and make up a logical reason. Oh, and the US supplied the agents to make those chemical weapons used on the Kurds over 20 years prior to the invasion. You might need to read up on shelf life of chemical weapons. "Neutralize" ? What! Are you just making things up as you go along

 

That's part of the Palestinian wall of lies.

 

LOL .. Not its not .. The Israeli Lobby is huge and powerful.. Everyone knows this .. except you apparently.

 

The Israeli lobby is "huge and powerful", or the Israeli lobby is the "main lobbyist in the US?" I think that there's a reason that you did not say the latter.

 

Don't know if its the most powerful - and matters not to the point that there is a big Israeli Lobby - which is why that would not be mentioned .. if one believed such a thing. The fact of the matter .. is that only a US citizen who is tremendously ignorant of Washington Politics .. and pays no attention to any related issues .. does not know this.

Now to your question .. Is the Israeli Lobby the Biggest ? "The Main Lobby" ? highly doubtful .. Healthcare and Military Lobbies seem far bigger .. Just in the Pharma/ Health Products sector there are more than 2 lobbyists for every congressman.

Washington a pay to play system .. and everybody knows it .. .lobbyists for everything under the sun ..

 

Oh, you think lobbying is the same as donating to politicians. Cute.

Wrong, of course, but cute nonetheless - a childishly naive kind of cute.

 

I did not say that .. but do keep the made up fantasies coming, so as not to do something unexpected .. deviating from "childishly naive kind of cute" .. cause you get it handed to you on every interaction

 

@MGB ROADSTER did not object to the claim that there is a big Israeli lobby. Go back and look for yourself.

 

Don't be fooled by the propaganda. The hue and cry from Israel reflects 3 things: 1) they are playing the role of the bad cop to drive unreasonable demands and exact even more concessions 2) pure partisan politics having little to do with Israel's own interests 3) setting the ground for the fraud, namely the US later reneging on its promises under the deal.

Otherwise, it was actually AIPAC that quietly pulled the rug from underneath several Republican parliamentary maneuvers that would have prevented Obama from going through with the original JCPOA and even today 27 of the Senators who supported the JCPOA are strongly backed by AIPAC. The Israelis basically want their cake and eat it too: once Iran's centrifuges have been mostly dismantled back to JCPOA limits, and Iran's stockpile of enriched uranium is also largely destroyed or shipped away in line with this deal, the Israelis will then work with the neocons + other AIPAC supported politicians to make sure the main promise of JCPOA (lifting of sanctions and normal trade) is never fulfilled. All Iran will get is release of money in blocked accounts, which is only the upfront benefit and not the real benefit of the JCPOA based on its terms or how it is justified in Iran.

 

Tis you who needs to figure out what the conversation is about .. before opening mouth.

 

https://news.yahoo.com/general-iran-israel-missile-strikes-190708737.html
General: Iran, Israel missile strikes put US troops at risk

 

The claim was that "Israel is the main lobbyist in the US." Agreed?

 

Disagree -- that was not my claim.

 

I did not say YOUR claim! I said THE claim! THIS claim: http://www.politicalforum.com/index...eball-explosion.597935/page-2#post-1073320893

 

8 Largest Lobbyist Groups in America

• NCTA The Internet Television Association. ...
• Business Roundtable. ...
• American Medical Association. ...
• Blue Cross/Blue Shield. ...
• American Hospital Association. ...
• Pharmaceutical Research Manufacturers of America. ...
• National Association of Realtors. ...
• American Chamber of Commerce.

Everyone knows this .. except you apparently.

 

The Israeli lobby is much more powerful than most on that list

 

Can you prove it?

 

What would be the use. Eminent scholars who have, have received the expected reaction and attacks by a lobby which excels at this sort of thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Israel_Lobby_and_U.S._Foreign_Policy

 

Good. Now please make a list of all lobbies in the US and their role in shaping US policies. Then we'll be able to compare the data for each lobby and decide which is most influential.

Furthermore, make a list of all major foreign policy decisions since '48, all major Israeli interests, all major interests of the anti-Israel crowd, all major US interests, and the activity of each organization in the pro-Israel lobby in US (I hope you're aware that all the organizations under the umbrella term "Israel lobby" are quite divided politically and ideologically). Then we'll be able to have a decent conversation on the issue.

Oh, and read some articles that don't agree with your source (generally speaking, not only in this particular case). You know, to avoid being brainwashed by sources that confirm your bias and to avoid being deprived of important information that might offer a more accurate context and perspective. Just sayin'.

Wikipedia is not a reliable source.

 

Good admonition, because that is precisely what I do and how I got where I am in my journey to understand things. In my case, it goes well beyond what you even allude to: I started my journey closer to the opposite camp I am right now, raised, educated and trained in America, in politics, economic, philosophy and law. I started my journey with an interest to debunk leftists and Marxists, yet reading Marx (young Marx and old Marx) but fundamentally on the side of classical liberal thinkers. Yet, I started my journey also as an agnostic, with my guards high against not just anyone who believed in old religious dogma but even those who wanted merely the comfort of "faith". And by and large I even agreed to a lesser or greater extent with Francis Fukiyama's general thesis in the End of History, although never ever with direction those arguments were being taken by the neocons.

But now I am where I am, not because I was converted by some intellectual guru but because I also began reading even more widely, more dispassionately, and experiencing more directly, the arguments and issues that undermined my previous predilections. I experienced living and working in Iran. I rediscovered things I had imagined I had understood but hadn't. Nonetheless, I still am intellectually more exposed to the panoply of ideologies and beliefs on what is now for me the other side. After all, I post in this site, not in another, in another country, in another language. And I am, at the end, reminded of the song Both Sides Now.

 

Good ... glad we sorted this out.

 

That would be 'worshing powders'

 

I had no idea the Business round table was one of biggest lobbyists -- but only a silly fool would think that everyone knows this obscure tid bit.

The Israeli Lobby on the other hand .. "everyone" - who has the faintest clue knows about that one.

 

See, that's your problem. Instead of using your gained insight into both worlds to understand the world you live in as a whole, you decided to pick one side over the other. The center is the only place that can give you the best possible perspective, but few people are capable of balancing all the sides at once. Besides, you're an idealist, a dreamer, so naturally you picked the side most likely to offer you food for soul in your opinion.

Even though you claim to have rejected Marxism, your virulent anti-Zionism is the result of relentless Soviet propaganda from the 50' and 60's, designed to entrap the minds and hearts of the Arab and Muslim world and pull the Middle East into the Soviet Bear's sphere of influence, away from the US and western Europe. From this point of view, you are totally aligned with the extreme left. You are, in fact, a collateral victim of the Soviet hegemonic ambitions.

 

Yep, just like everyone knew the Sun revolved around the Earth not so long ago.

Bandwagon logical fallacy.