News covers fake girlfriend, but not 500,000 marching on DC.

Now WN if I could answer your first question there would be no mystery.

Tell you a story. Newlywed guy (architect) shows up on the job-site with an irritated eye. When asked what happened he says his bride threw something (can't remember what, ten years ago) at him, striking his eye, when he awoke that morning. How come? In a late morning dream (obvious nightmare for her) she had, he had been with another woman (all while they were asleep together). After he was hit he asked what was that for. She explains the dream. She asked him how could he do that to her (what his dream character in her dream did). He told her that it was HER dream, not anything he had done or would do. She asked him if that was going to be his defense...I love that story.

 

So what gives you the right to make decisions for others?

Your position is one laced with hysteria (probably stemming form your own guilt) and is at the extreme of the debate. you will find that the majority of pro-life and pro-choice hold a more stable middle ground in this issue .. It tends to be only the religious nuts and the anything goes liberals who are at the extreme.

Your opinion of me matters not in the slightest, you remind me of those Islamic hate preachers who think anyone not following their way should be exterminated.

I would like you to quote anywhere where I have stated that people should do this or that .. you have on numerous occasions.

anywhere where I have stated that the state should force others to do something .. you have on numerous occasions

anywhere where I have stated that the roll of sex education should be primarily done by schools .. you have on numerous occasions stated that sex is bad and should only be discussed in the home.

You are the only one who has on numerous occasions has stated that the state should force ALL woman to give up the ownership of a part of their body.

and as someone else asked, if a woman doesn't own her body who does?

 

There are some cases where the child is too young to survive. Dismemberment and aspiration is not what I am describing, i am describing extremely early induction where the demise of the child is a foreseen, but unintentional outcome. A situation where that might occur is early onset severe preeclampsia.

 

yes, it doesn't merit killing the disabled human being. in fact, i find it disgusting that one would support the execution of the disabled.

. Why do you want to pile on another human tragedy to a suffering person? Help that woman, don't support her killing her baby. Same for rape. If your father assaulted a woman, should YOU get a death sentence? In the US, we don't execute rapists, how is killing his offspring justifiable!? It's not. He as TWO victims, and you want to execute one.

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Those stupid statements were not made until after his election. Try again.

 

Yes, but no Democrat said it.....sounds like Repub voters don't know what they're doing????

 

Please learn to use the quote function.

Who the hell are you to judge someone better off dead?

What if I decide that baldness is a horrible deformity, and you have been genetically screened and found to possess that trait. Should I execute you for your own good? Wouldn't want you to "suffer" right?

Lots of people have suffering and still value their life; lots of people live in pain and still value life. Why do you want to take that from them? How very cruel!

I am on the side of life, not rape. You can't undo a rape and you can't undo a conception. She is already bearing the burden of what the rapist did to her. Killing her baby, making her feel as if there is some shame she must bear--that is another assault. it is no assault to help her through the 9 month consequence of her assault, and help her process afterward what occured. If he had stabbed her and she had lived, she could not abort the lasting effect of that wound, she would recuperate. Bearing a rape baby can be seen as a period of recuperation and healing. You cannot un-ring that bell, and sometimes the ring reverberates for some time afterward. Adding a guilt of executing an innocent for his father's crime is not healing.

Puh-leez.



Republicans have by no means cornered the market on stupid comments/actions. you just show your lack of objectivity with this stupid comment.

 

I am not just talking about disabilities here, though one pro-life has quoted on here that "retarded" bavies should be put to death - I am also talking about feotal abnormalities that are incompatibly with life, ie the fetus would either be still born or die very shortly after birth.

I would expect most woman who have been raped would heave a sigh of relief knowing that they would not have to carry the prioduct of a violent act, I would also suspect that the majority of raped woman would like to see the death penalty for the rapist .. how would you explain to a person with a mental age of a child what is happening to them.

There are going to be two victims regardless of whether an abortion is allowed, the woman who was raped and the child who will eventually find out they are the product of rape.

 

It was Republicans who called those rape babies "gifts".....it was Republicans who said women "shut down" during rape and can't get pregnant....

it is Republicans who introduced over 300 pieces of legislation over the last few years to control women's reproductive systems and these MEN seem to relish discussing it and controlling it..

 

That is so

Off topic.

Off the wall.

Off in space.

Off point.

????very strange????

 

Perhaps a mystery? You found the account a perplexing conundrum wrapped in an inscrutable enigma...me too! Yet doesn't it reveal the mysterious and even endearing way of the better half? I love that story, really. The husband saw the humor in it too...about an hour after he shared his bewilderment with an all male, uproariously laughing, audience. They are still happily married and sharing their lives with their lovely children.

What I don't get is the tone and nature of your response. You asked a question and offered a theory. I answered and shared empirical evidence (that admittedly I don't really understand) of the mysterious nature of women. Wait a minute...are you in touch with your feminine side? Dang! No wonder I'm struggling with your response. .

 

A made up story about how stupid one woman is doesn't prove anything.....there's nothing mysterious about it.


If you find stupid women endearing start a thread on it in a different forum.

Do you find stupid men endearing? I don't. I don't find stupid people endearing....must be that "feminine" side of me..ya know using logic and all that...

 

Ah, and here comes the Hell hath no fury side! . True story and this lovely, intelligent woman is not stupid. You need to lighten up and please cease with the ordering me about 'tude, another already has that job. If you throw anything other than a fit I'm calling a copper! You're not the boss of me! Well...neither am I but that still doesn't make you the Boss of me!!

 

Funny, you find "tone" and "fury" in posts containing none....consider it may only be in your mind.


OK, I'll read stuff into your post like how you can't give a decent reply out of embarrassment at not being able to.


"You're not the boss of me"

Last time I heard that it came out of a five-year-olds mouth...

 

If you can't bother to quote properly, I feel no need to respond. I'm not going to work to fix your errors in posting as well as errors in logic.

 

One person's bigotry does not a movement make.

Two wrongs do not make a right. She was raped. It is a fact. She conceived. It is a fact. Abortion kills a human life. It is a fact. Killing that life will not change what happened. Furthermore, if abortion is a "choice", the trauma of the event of rape and conception from rape most certainly influences the woman's objectivity. One might argue that her ability to make an informed and objective "choice" is compromised.

Nonetheles...Abortion kills an entirely innocent life. Do you think most raped women would choose to kill the born child of her rapist? Why not? She kills the pre-born child of her rapist when she chooses abortion.

With love and compassion? I dunno....seems anyone in that state needs love and compassion. Duh.

Did you have perfect parents? Who says the baby ever needs to find out? Ever heard of adoption?

 

Translated to truth: "I have no answer so want to squirm away by commenting on posting habits"


LOL! Quite an MO you have there.....

 

Here's what adoption means for the woman:

expensive medical bills, the possibility of losing her job, the fact that she loses 9 months of her life, pain, discomfort, her life set back 9months,schooling may be interrupted.......

That's why women should, AND DO, have a choice.

 

Perhaps you would be better pointing that comment to some of your pro-life comrades .. or even better Lila Rose

You are right, the rape is a wrong and so is forcing a woman to carry a fetus she doesn't want .. in fact making the state force here is by far a worse wrong .. not only does she have to overcome the rape, she has to carry a fetus she may not want and the state is taking control over part of her body . .three wrongs don't make a right either.

I don't know and to be honest I wouldn't want to wait until abortion is illegal to find out, if woman who have not been raped can kill their children then I'm pretty sure some who have been raped would.

Love and compassion will only help so far, just think for a minute how a seven year old thinks, could you explain to them why they fell sick, why their tummy is growing and how do you explain the pain they are going to have to face.

To me my parents were perfect. I'll point you to a study done about the number of adopted children who decided to find out who their real parents were;

Basically no adoption agency in the US encourage confidential adoptions.

You do also know that adoption agencies in the US are facing a problem with finding adoptive parents, there are on average 400,000 children in care each year who will not be adopted and you want to add to that number.

 

No...I'd be happy to answer. I fixed it once. Now you do it, genius.

 

But the fact the fetus is there is a reality that cannot be undone. SHE becomes guilty of killing if she aborts. And her anger is directed at a part of herself as well as an innocent.

You did not address the idea that a person who is assaulted and wounded in other ways must bear the burden of the injury while healing...this "state" you refer to cannot take away what needs time healing. Furthermore, abortion does not either "heal" the woman either. The rape victim will need healing no matter what.

Lastly, you totally ignore the fact that there is another human life you are utterly ignoring.

Should that be legal?

It is extraordinarily rare that a girl can get pregnant at 7 and even more rare that she would be impregnated even if she was pre-maturely fertile.

Lucky you. And to the children seeking birth parents: I understand the desire to know, but be careful what you wish for--Some information is confidential for good reason.

I don't believe that is accurate.

Make it easier and more secure to adopt. Many wannabe parents go outside the States due to the difficulty of adopting with this country's regulations.

 

But it can be undone, whether it is right or not is the reason we are all here debating it
She is only guilty of killing something in the view of a minority of people, if it was a majority view than abortion would not be legal
no, the anger is directed at the person who raped here and at the product of that rape, it is something she didn't want, didn't plan for or, except in a very few cases, wants to continue with.

There is a very big difference with being assaulted in other ways, you do not have the constant reminder growing within you for one thing.

I am not ignoring it, it is that your interpretation of what an independent sentient life is, is different from mine and the majority of the medical profession.

It isn't and never should be.

slight confusion here .. I am talking about a mature woman with the mental age of a seven year old.

In the US adopted children can and do access the information about their birth parents

It is accurate -

Making it easier would only open the doors to those who adopt for the wrong reasons.
That may be true, I don't really know the adoption procedure in the US

 

OK, why don't YOU have a baby and report back on how that 9 months had no effect on your life whatsoever.

Please report that 9 months of pregnancy, which you will take care of with no assistance from anyone since that is the REALITY for lots of women, was just like a soft comfy ride on a cloud strewn magic carpet where a tiny perfect human with no medical problems was magically just put into your arms with no pain or problems and then delivered to wonderful loving adoptive parents...

IOW, prove your point...otherwise you have none.

 

. No.
She was raped--that cannot be undone.
No.
She conceived--that cannot be undone.


There is no debating FACTS. Her rape and conception CANNNOT be undone.

per SCIENTIFIC, EMPIRICAL FACT, she is killing a human organism--a human life.

Of course a person does not want a crime commited against them....your point?

How so? If the rapist gave the woman a virus, how could she "abort" HIV?

"Sentient..." HA! You can't be objective. " Sentience" is YOUR subjective criteria. Likewise, you silly pro-death people like to argue what "independant" means. Pathetic.

And exactly how many women are, or have been in this predicament? The exception proves the premise.

There is an option for closed adoption despite your unsupported claim.

Source please.

 

. WHAT?! She's been RAPED! There is no " no effect [sic]" when a woman is raped whether another life is conceived or not!!! You belittle her trauma by suggesting it can be " cured" by sucking out some combined DNA. DISGUSTING.

What ignorance!

 

LOL! I guess that was a "no"....