Nice ppl dont got to Heaven!

Nice ppl dont got to Heaven!

I said it bluntly in the thread title so that I could qualify in the body of text substantiating my point:

Nice ppl, who judge themselves on their own stds (which are the current worldly stds of the time) wont got to heaven after they die without accepting the work on the cross and the gift of Righteousness because of the sacrifice of the Savior of the world. If man didnt need a savior, as man cannot save himself, then why did a Messiah come?!

Now I wont get into the natives in some remote country who have never heard the Gospel, which will be God's determination of the hearts of men based on their conscious and what they know in regards to Him by the nature around them---as in "He has made Himself known in His creation"..

But per Isaiah 64:6, "But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousness are as filthy rags" or some say, "as a filthy garment' that we wear in the sight of God.'

And per Romans 3:23, "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" No one is not guilty of sin, as the mark is per scripture, "Be perfect as I (God) am perfect."

And so on 'our own,' our self-righteousness is but the sin of pride, and per scripture "the greatest enemy between man & God is man's pride."

And so, no man or woman is worthy of Heaven on their own; but we have been given the Gift of Righteousness (right-standing with God) per the work of Christ on the cross who atoned for our sins:

2 Corinthians 5:21 "For He hath made him (Jesus) to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him."

and

Romans 5:17 "For if by the transgression of the one [Adam], death reigned (through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will) reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.

And, Gifts are not earned. Gifts are simply and thankfully RECEIVED. Right standing with God cannot be earned, either. That would make it a wage, not a gift.

And so man w/o the knowledge of God will be judged on a different std than those who have 'heard,' and been given the Gift of Righteousness, aka not on their own works of righteousness, but on His!

And as the lost who practice sin (God's std, not their stds) but yet can do righteous deeds; the believer practices righteousness (with a regenerated heart) who can still sin. But as scripture also states, "we (the believer & follower) have an advocate in Christ Jesus who is faithful and just to cleanse us of from all unrighteousness."

 

Good! No disagreements then with the OP.

And so of course the atheists (even the 'nice' ones), who dont believe in a God (kinda like not acknowledging the possibility of a rogue wave and therefore it wont harm you---aka, the "ostrich head-in-the-sand" principle) but have heard the Gospel in the modern world, including here on the forum many times, wont have the same 'excuse' as those natives in remotes parts of the world who never heard it.

The ones who are agnostics (you know, the 'nice' ones) who think that by not 'officially' denying the possibility of God, have the 'parachute' of the opportunity of escaping a final judgement on a 'technicality.' Sorry...I have found no scripture that would give them such hope...so, they also shud go ahead and "eat, drink, and be merry for tomorrow ....!!!"

 

Acts 1:9-12:

9 And after He had said these things, He was lifted up while they were looking on, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. 10 And as they were gazing intently into the sky while He was going, behold, two men in white clothing stood beside them. 11 They also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will return in just the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven.”

and

Luke 21:27-28:

27 Then they will see THE SON OF MAN COMING IN A CLOUD with power and great glory. 28 But when these things begin to take place, arise and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”


That's going to be some "Welcome Back" surprise party, huh?! But the ones who will be surprised the most and not expecting it will be....the 'nice' ppl of the time.

[I like this open-ended pulpit!]

 

You've set up a thread that no Christian will disagree with. I'm sure the atheists will begin decending like locusts any time now. I don't see them either way.

 

How bout dem Lines, er Lyings, er maybe Lyons (closer)...ah...Lions from Dee-Troit?! 4-0, who wooda thunk it?!

Dey be lucky, doh, dat da "Christians' wernt playin dem today!!

 

I wanted to hear from the 'nice' ppl that are so nice based on their own righteousness, that there is no way, no how, any possibility of not making 'the cut' (IF there is one, of course....).

 

But this is a non sequitur for them, is it not? They aren't trying to earn a place in the afterlife because they believe it doesn't exist. It's really sad because for them, this life is the one shot at happiness and most people world wide just don't get that shot.

 

Sounds like the old song by Peggy Lee, "Is that all there is"

"Is that all there is, is that all there is
If that's all there is my friends, then let's keep dancing
Let's break out the booze and have a ball
If that's all there is"

I wasnt expecting anything from the 'stiff-necks' but the usual harassment---I just wanted to get some 'truth' out there and hold their feet to the proverbial 'fire' as far as driving home their irrational rationale...

BTW, have been waiting for the petty grammar-spelling police to comment on my thread title...ha ha Took me 3 posts to notice it...darn ignorant spell/grammar check didnt catch it...

 

I've had it for today! Nothing but continuous Data Errors, boot offs, lost Replies when submitting posts, etc, this afternoon, and has worn me out! --- all this has been going on for the past week and may curtail my site attendance...glad I havnt invested anymore $$$ in this site lately ...

Rant on w/o me......

 

So your point is that I must accept that the stories in a book of ancient myths and fairy tales are true(though I know for a certainty that people made them up). But also that if I don't accept the stories some people made up as true, I won't be able to go to a magical place people made up after I die? Well, ok. I suppose I am fine with that.

 

Well, it is written that 'He has revealed Himself (made Himself known) in His creation."

And so even tho most isolated civilizations across the world & thru out history have believed in a deity (of one type or another) by observing their surroundings, you apparently cannot see what they saw.

So you are both spiritually & physically blind, not seeing Him by His handiwork. I know that they have "Handicap Stickers' for the legally physically blind, but dont think they can help you out with your spiritually blind handicap..sorry.

Good nite...

 

Your are making a nonsensical point. No where in my post did I deny the existence of God. God may well exist, I don't claim to know otherwise. What I denied was that a book written by men, filled with stories those men made up, should somehow dictate my decisions in life. The very best you could say, is that yes those men saw God all around them, and the Bible was their attempt to express God. However, that does nothing to support your assertion that only through the bible can a person go to heaven. Based on the reasoning the of the above post, any people who saw God all around them and attempted to express it would be ok. However, according to the OP, that is incorrect. You are contradicting yourself in your own posts.

 

So, in short, God made flawed beings that he knew would be flawed and that he could have just as easily made perfect.

However, by acting out according to their natures, humans must redeem themselves through accepting Christ as a savior in a world where multiple religions exist and where only a select few areas favor the likelihood of believing in him -- all of which was also planned out by God.

The issue here seems less about nice people not going to heaven and more that God himself isn't particularly nice.

 

God created us in finite physical forms with eternal souls, souls that were
Meant to be with him and to love him and to be loved by him. Creating then perfect so that they had no choice but to love him isn't love at all. Love is a choice ( hence free will).


Another problem here is where do you get your definition of nice from, obviously it's from the Christian worldview because in an atheistic worldview in which we are just chemicals that decided to come together by chance there is no nice or mean. In this worldview butchering. Million people is no different than donating to save the whales. This is the chaos of moral relativism.

God is love itself but God is also justice itself.

 

No it is YOU who are mis-reading the OP!

The OP states that those who 'havnt heard' the Gospel and thus havnt 'rejected' it are judged by God differently according to HIS stds of examining the heart of man. It is also written that "He knows the thoughts & intentions of men's hearts." (King OD para.)

But YOU, and many others who have 'heard' the Gospel in our modern society, and have rejected it as being 'nice' ppl, dont have that same excuse, as God sees YOUR hearts in rejecting His Son and His way to salvation...again, sorry (for YOU, that is)

 

Or the issue may be about less nice people going to heaven.

 

The carnal man (whose mind is set of the flesh, aka 'self') is the one who proclaims himself as being 'nice.' A relative term he gives himself (or others 'like him') to relieve any guilt of being self-seeking, and denying any power higher than himself. If everyone was 'nice' in the world (like 'them'), then the msg from the bumper sticker "Visualize World Peace" would just automatically occur in humanity. FOOLS!!

Scripture says that the heart of natural man is evil....seeking self continually, as well as playing god in their little sphere of influence...(my para of )

 

".. to relieve any guilt of self-seeking, and denying any power higher than himself" That's an excellent emphasis of the purpose of religiousity to place liability outside the ego. OverDrive, you're doing wonders for my understanding of the very purpose of religion. Thanks man.

 

No problemo, Dude, anything to help the ignorant....

[BTW, following the words of Jesus Christ is NOT a 'religion' (man's works to get to God) but a way of life and living based on grace... all 'other' religions are based on works..you still dont get it! ]

 

OverDrive, getting that an active religion must not merely be just another religion is not even an issue. Of course it mustn't. It must not be mythology, either, am I right?

 

One can write off the OT as much 'mythology' mixed with some history, but the NT words of Jesus Christ are said by Him to be 'truth' ("I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life.."), that are recognized & accepted by those who seek the 'truth.' REAL 'truth' is evident to the sincere and humble, but not to the proud & haughty. For, again, 'the greatest enemy between man & God is man's pride. And so pride in self is blinding to 'truth.' Now you can 'see' why you dont understand the Gospel of Grace..huh?!


BTW, have you petitioned your Govt of Denmark to remove the cross on your natuonal flag yet?

With all the apostates there today, and still having a cross on their flag, I would agree with Hamlet that "something is rotten in the state of Denmark."...

 

Actually, I believe the premise of the OP is incorrect.

Those who do not worship the pencil on my desk will not go to heaven. The pencil of our goddess.

 

See what I mean, Verne?!!

 

Are you denying the divinity of this pencil?

 

Actuality I'm trying to visualize you as a 'compassionate' follower of that religion---nah, why waste my time.


But...I can see you and the other atheists as the types of ppl who would go to a 'terminal cancer' ward, while carrying pencils, and telling everyone there, "You know that you're going to die, stop hoping for recovery let alone a miracle, just go ahead and die."

What a bunch of 'hopeless,' pathetic, poor excuses as members of the human race...very sad individuals indeed.

Other than that, what's the pencil baptism like??