Nice ppl dont got to Heaven!

He is credited with writing far less than 1/2 the NT, unless you are counting by number of books, instead of number of pages. The Gospels take up most of the space in the new testament, leaving small amounts of space for everything after it.

 

So 2nd time posting this question, where is your condemnation of Jesus per His above using physical force & judging ppl that appear to violate His words of the Sermon on the Mount??

BTW, with your eyes on Jesus, your faith shudnt have failed you as apparently it has---keep your eyes off of man, for man will fail you every time, "Cursed is the man who trusts in mankind."

 

No they are not. Jesus Christ in his earthly ministry spoke very little to the Church. The Church was not even in existance at this time. The Church doesn't begin until Acts 2.

The Kingdom of Heaven is not the Church. It is that kingdom promised by God to Israel, where the Messiah would rule from Israel over the whole earth. And the Sermon on the Mount are the rules and laws of that Kingdom.

But, that Kingdom didn't come, because Israel rejected her King. It will come later which is what is known as the millineum reign.

All of what the Sermon on the Mount says is true and good, and reflects the righteousness and character of God. And there is much that Christians learn from it, and they can see the Holy Spirit working these very things listed in the Sermon into their lives. But, Christians do not live or walk by the Sermon on the Mount.

Quantrill

 

Nah, only a part of the world we live in. There exist more beliefs than just the Abrahamic handful. According to another religion, for example, you can get reborn according to your good moral standings in this life. And there are plenty more options.

 

So your argument is simply that no man can be good without being connected to god? You are telling me that no man can be righteous and good if they have no connection to god? Also you took my statement and somehow managed to twist it around into reflecting hate towards the atheistic community. We are not talking about that.

One man, lives a full life where they are kind, righteous and of a good moral standing. Do you wish to tell me such a man cannot exist without god in his life? If this is your belief then I have to say you are quite possibly the most pessimistic person I have ever had the displeasure to meet. "Why?" you may ask? Because you have no faith whatsoever in the human spirit. In a humans right to choose and live the way they choose and be good of their own free will apart from the influence of a god or spirit.

Am I to understand, you believe mankind is wholly evil and would be entirely if not for their belief in god. That a man CANNOT be kind, CANNOT be generous, and CANNOT be of good moral standing without being connected to god on a religious level. You say they CANNOT be these things, and CANNOT lay down their lives for humanity. What of an atheistic soldier in a war? Is he too evil simply because he does not believe in god? Can he have no moral standing? Can he not express right from wrong? Can he not "Lay down his life for their fellow man?" What of the thinker? The philosopher? The Scientist? Those who do nothing but devote their time towards furthering humanity and their understanding of the universe. Are they not good if they do not believe in god?

You took the opportunity when you posted to take jabs at atheism. You even took the time to attempt to compare an atheist charity to one of a religious standing. Am I to believe that the atheist charity isn't good and generous in its motives simply because god wasn't involved? Does that money not help the poor? Does that money not feed the hungry? Does that money not cure the sick? Is it, very simply not good enough for you because you believe that humans cannot do well or perform an act of good without gods influence?

This is the flaw in your logic, and if this is how you view the world then I must say I hope your god is good and bright enough to make up for the world of darkness you think we live in.

(Note: Notice I say 'your god' here in the above paragraph, this is to reflect the fact I am directing this statement towards saintmichaeldefendthem and of those who follow his philosophy only. This is not meant to be directed towards the theist community as a whole but simply this logic)

 

Scripture states that "No one is good, no not one; all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God."

Also, "Be ye perfect as I (God) am perfect"

That is the std!

And no man lives a complete life without sinning (meaning, "missing the mark"), no matter how good they may think they are or are observed being.

Self-righteousness is the product of being a 'good person' by their own stds, and results in man's pride in self.

As said many times B4, scripture also says that "The greatest enemy between man and God is man's pride."

Man's pride in his goodness results in his belief that he has no need for a savior. Meaning that Jesus Christ as savior, was un-needed and his giving of his life was but a waste. As scripture states, "trampling upon His sacrifice.."

Finally, "The man who says he has no sin, is a liar." Right there, he has sinned, or 'missed the mark' which is the perfection std of God.

 

Focus on this hypothetical situation. The situation has nothing to do with a man THINKING he is doing good, or doing good because he feels like he has to. It is not a matter of pride in this situation. In this situation the man does good on his own. For no other reason than to simply do it because thats what he believes. But he doesn't believe in god. Therefor he is punished. Simply because he has his own standards?

So what your telling me is god doesn't punish the unjust and reward the goodhearted. He punishes the people who don't believe in him. Your way of thinking dictates that god gave man free will as a massive joke, simply to take it away and force people to follow that way of thinking and punishing them if they don't regardless of the circumstance.

 

Yes.

Those who are not Christian, can do good things, as far as mans goodness is concerned. But these do nothing in placing him in a right relationship with God.

This good mans standards may be very high. But they fail in comparrison to God. And the judgement of works will be based on that. You and God.

Quantrill

 

so I am right in assumption god doesnt give two (censored) about whether or not you are a good person. Excellent. Please tell me what your established faith is so I can be sure to steer clear of it. I have heard such great things about how god will forgive a person for anything so long as they pray and ask him for forgiveness I suppose that is also the situation here? Could a man murder an enitre family and be forgiven because he believes in god and said "I'm sorry"? While a good man would be sent straight to hell for not believing in god? Is justice not a concept they have thought of up in heaven? Or are we about to get into a huge discussion about "X is okay under Y circumstance"

 

I asked a simular question and received the run around. I already knew the answer, however I enjoy asking questions of which I already know the answer. See my siggy for a good example, why question was concerning the deaths of innocents doing the "great flood". My reply from Quantrill is displayed in my signature.

You can look at it like this:

You can kill millions, or billions of people, in a mass genocide. However if you accept Jesus Christ as your savoir you are forgiven assuming you haven't committed the unforgivable sin, denying the holy spirit.

You can volunteer, help your neighbors, help strangers, join the volunteer fire department, maybe even stop the mower to move frogs off the lawn, do good for the sake of doing good, and you if deny a particular religion, you will burn in hell.

It makes a lot of sense.

 

1st of all, the question is: " Can a truly vile person committing all those dastardly deeds ever be bought to a point of repentance, as being penitent and sincerely sorry for their sins. For 'repentance' as defined also in scripture is a 'turning' from the sin' and is a change of the attitude of the heart. For some, that is not possible, for as scripture states, "They have had their conscious seered as with a hot iron." Indicating that they are 'beyond repentance.'

Then there are those who for any of several reasons (abused as children, youthful mistakes, reared w/o guidance or discipline, etc.) commit heinous acts, but at some point realize their sin and do 'turn from it' and repent, and lead a changed life.

And, BTW, being sorry for one's sins and just speaking vain 'magical' words because one is caught in their sins by authorities (as in a crime, including with the death penalty) is not true repentance, and as has been said many times B4, only God knows their heart (thoughts & intentions).

And as far as the 'nice' ppl (those good by their own or worldly stds, their own righteousness is not God's righteousness! [As has been said previously in this thread but ignored by the stiff-necked posters.]

And so, those desiring NOT to play by God's rules (who establishes the 'mark,' of which sin misses that mark) will thru their rebellion have to pay for rejecting His std's at some point during the immortality of where they will end up in eternity.

And man's 'free will' is God allowing men to choose to do the 'right' thing, or do 'their own thing.....they do have a choice, and cannot claim ignorance, for His will is plainly given in His word.

 

Yes, thats right. I am Christian.

Yes, if a murderer turns to Christ he will be saved. And if a good man doesn't, he will not be saved.

Quantrill

 

No, you didn't recieve the run around. You recieved the answer. You just don't like it.

Your so smart in knowing the answers to your questions. Maybe thats why they are so easy.

Quantrill

 

You unbelieving scoffers can continue on your 'faux noble, self-righteous rants' about what's right and just, but:

Bottom line is, just like those w/o the Law, and those w/o hearing the Gospel of Grace, the 'nice ppl will have to stand B4 Jesus Christ (the 'Door'), as "No man cometh to the Father but by Him," upon leaving this mortal life.

So the 'nice' person can take their chances by relying upon their own good works; I've chosen to rely upon the Gift of Righteousness, given to me by accepting the work on the cross as my payment for my sins, based on His Righteousness. By my own righteousness, I wouldnt make it (altho by the world's stds, I'm a 'good ole boy!')

 

Or easy because you know full well an honest answer will cause you to either contradict yourself or all that is known to be good.

Most people would consider infants and children innocent, innocent in such a way that their needless death is not justified. You however, disagree and condone theirs deaths.

 

No, just easy.

It doesn't matter to me what you say 'most people' consider. What matters to me is what God considers.

Thats why your questions are easy.

I agree with God, not you.

Quantrill

 

There is nothing stopping a tyrant from feeling genuine remorse, and by your logic, a ticket to salvation.

That makes a lot of sense. One man can be a secular humanitarian and suffer for all eternity, the other can be Hitler and forgiven all of his sins if he feels genuinely sorry for his actions.

Have you ever stopped to think that maybe many atheists distain for the Abrahamic religions is not so much blind "hatred", but a genuine confusion as to why someone would ever subscribe and even devout their lives to something that makes so little sense?
All conspiracy theories aside you have been told explicitly why the enlightened have issues with your beliefs, yet instead of reading arguments and taking them at face value, you tend to feel a vast conspiracy (backed by your own inaccurate physiology) is a more accurate description of reality.

 

You agree with what you think god should be, which is a truly vile and demented character.

What is wrong with love, tolerance, and compassion? I will never understand why you choose violence over those three things.

 

Oh for Gawd's sake!!!

THERE IS NO HELL!!!

It makes absolutely NO sense!

Adversely...THERE IS NO HEAVEN...in the "classical" sense.

We and our souls are simply part of a much greater entity.
We start out small, and with each experience, the energy that is our "souls" gets bigger.
A self-perpetuating mechanism of "awareness".

Crosses, devils, even that magical mystical hippie called Jesus...all nonsense.

 

Was the the official comment from Looney Tunes, Bugsy???

 

No, I agree with God. As told us in the Bible.

Quantrill

 

Which is a book, written by man. An idea, one of many, of what god should be.

This is an undeniable fact.

 

No, it is the Word of God.

Quantrill

 

Which is a book, written by man. An idea, one of many, of what god should be.

This is an undeniable fact.

 

No, its the Word of God.

Quantrill