so you whole gig is is proving what everyone already knows on both sides of the argument? Dosnt get you any closer to winning the debate than winning a bet that striking a match will create a fire. shees, can this get any weaker the point to win is getting the correct temperature by the color of the material regardless of what the material is. extremely simple for someone who knoes.
And did you get a good look at the core columns so that you could tell me what color they were when the collapses started? As i have stated, steel loses 50% of its strength at 1000F, but the loss starts at lower temperatures. Now, another thing, have you proof that a warped column is going to bear as much weight as one that is still in the shape it was forged into at the foundry?
I have no way of knowing how many core columns survived the intitial impact. Nobody got in there to count them and came out alive. I do know that they were all subjected to temperatures well in excess of 1000F, so it reall does not matter, in the long run. They were all outside parameters as designed.
ok so you admit that you do not know. That this whole gig is a house of cards and you have no bonafide evidence. .
And nobody has any reason to believe that less than 75% of a structural system can support the full weight of the structure above it when heated to 1000F. You got a referrence that states that they can? I would like to see what evil djinn has been selling you that crap.
All those floors of steel heated up to 1000 degrees in an hour? Man! I need to try an experiment. Think I'll take a propane torch, stand a roll of chicken wire fence on end (about a thousand foot roll should suffice), heat one end to a thousand degrees and read the temperature on the other end. See if I can get it to collapse (or even weaken!). I'll even keep it up for an hour! I'll let you know the results. Maybe that will help confirm the "official" BS story.
You already said no one went in there and documented anything admitting you have nothing and expect me to respond to a question you admitted has no merit, and has already been established as bs
We know from the condition of the paint on some of the columns from the impact zone upward, and from the fires observed, that the temperatures were in excess of 1000F. Thus, the steel is known, definitively, to have been exposed to sufficient heat to damage or destroy its load-bearing capacity.
um, excuse me but thats wtc 1 oh and I realize that you are the expedrt n all, but the windows are broken so good luck selling that one. LOL
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the problem you have is wtc 2 didnt have enough fire for a good barbq yet you seem to think that it should have come down and have no data to put up what so ever other than guesses and maybes
Hog wash. [video=youtube;F2aUkKWg0J0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2aUkKWg0Jo[/video] At about 3:10, you can see flames emerging from both faces, on the UP-WIND side of the fire. We know from this alone that the temeperature was nearing 1000F at the very least. This was also blowing heat across the core, and in a lop-sided way at that. That alone will cause irregualr expansion of the columns. You do need to learn how to read a fire to properly assess what is going on here.
how do you know it was blowing heat across the core, that bull(*)(*)(*)(*) the heat was going out the broken windows! LMAO what kind of crap you spewing now! That clip, even though it is a tease clip, shows they took the core out and you can see the blew it. yep took the core out and blew the undamaged floors below. nice clear pic of it too.
