Noah's Flood part II

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  1. taikoo

    taikoo Banned

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    You forgot to mention the irrefutable proof
     
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    trevorw2539 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Who is drawing figures out of the air?

    If just 50% of Theists actually studied the Bible, its history, the origin of the events contained within and those events disproved by archaeology and secular history for themselves, and not just accept what they are told, perhaps real understanding might come to the fore.

    Someone has already said this, but I repeat it in slightly different terms. You have closed your mind. Why? I don't know. Is it that you are frightened that you might meet something, someone, some truth you can't deal with? Perhaps to have to admit you might be wrong if ever faced with unmistakeable - even for you - facts, is too hard.
    Christianity in the past was mainly closed to anything that would rock its position. Belief in God does not depend on whether the Bible is literally true or not. If your faith cannot withstand the fact that there are questions about its authority, or that science has proved that we know more than the people of old did, that we have answers to questions they had, then I question the strength of your faith. Stubborness comes to mind. In fact, the JW's come to mind.
    Whether there is a creator being I don't know. What I do know is that we are told he is not a god of confusion, and 'religion' is sure confused.
     
  3. Incorporeal

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    Who mentioned 'irrefutable proof' in this instant conversation that we are conducting? Are you setting up another strawman argument? Another deflection? Another off topic subject?
     
  4. GraspingforPeace

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    That's not a rebuttal.
     
  5. Incorporeal

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    You just don't seem to learn....
    "re·but·tal (r-btl)
    n.
    1. The act of rebutting.
    2. A statement made in rebutting."

    "re·but (r-bt)
    v. re·but·ted, re·but·ting, re·buts
    v.tr.
    1. To refute, especially by offering opposing evidence or arguments, as in a legal case.
    2. To repel."

    So here we go on the merry-go-round once again. Endless argument that only augments the fact that you cannot disprove the existence of God by showing "PROOF" and I cannot prove the existence of God by showing "PROOF". The 'PROOF' that has been offered is good enough "PROOF" for me, but not for you, and the 'PROOF' you have shown is good enough for you but not for me. Note also: If you want to apply this to the human chromosome 2, just replace the clause "existence of God" with "human chromosome 2". In either scenario, the "PROOF" is insufficient on both sides. Prime example of futility in such arguments from either side.
     
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    I have no lack of understanding and he has no speech probelm, I'm sorry you are not competent enough to realise that you've jumped to an unwarranted conclusion there. You are also wrong if you think that post had nothing to do with the discussion.
     
  7. taikoo

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    But it is irrefutable that you cannot prove something irrefutably and compel him to accept it.
     
  8. Incorporeal

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    Wow! You finally caught on to the language that has been used. Amazing. Miracles do happen.
     
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    You are making a positive claim that miracles do happen. Do you have evidence that I can verify that 'miracles' happen? Remember, you are making a positive claim about something...now prove it.

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    You can also do the same with someone that doesn't believe that Earth is spherical. But that would be their problem and make them a complete fool.
     
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    It is already proven, in that I accept it as 'true'. You don't have to accept it as 'true' and that is perfectly within your own prerogative. Remember, I am the one that analyzes the data that is submitted to me via this public forum. Just like you are the one that analyzes that same data that is submitted to you via this public forum. So we reach different conclusions... what does that mean.. it means that it is proven to me, but not proven to you. What a dilemma. And the futility continues.
     
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    Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence.

    Either give testable evidence for 'miracles' or stop claiming them to be. It's called logic.
     
  12. Incorporeal

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    Therefore, you are still on demand to produce evidence of the existence of the Invisible Pink Panda. The evidence for those miracles has been submitted. I have accepted the data that was submitted to me as 'true' and I believe it to be a 'miracle'. Now how about your Invisible Pink Panda. Where is your "PROOF" of that claim of yours?
     
  13. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    To dismiss the fact that so far no evidence have been found to attest that humans evolved from apes especially since it is a fact that several monkeys or apes evolved hundred of years ahead of humans with no evidence nor scientific explanation or theory could logically explain what is the relationship of the different human races to the different ape species is very unscientific. As science advance in technology it is becoming apparent that early colonial European scientist got their theories wrong especially since they base their ape theory on political colonial mentality not very much about science.

    What is ignorance is dismissing those facts and stubbornly sticking to an unknown or illogical claim that humans evolved from apes. Already modern biologist and scientist are slowly moving away from that old English term "Great Ape or Ape".

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape

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    The chart is very simple, explain how the different human races evolved from apes if they did evolved from apes with so many ape species and humans races which human race evolved from which ape species?
     
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    All humans are 99.3% genetically identical. The remaining 0.7% is mainly superficial nonsense, like hair color or skin color. Race is nothing but a superficial state of mind.
     
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    The Bible is not about science, science is learning about the process of Biblical creation or about how God got things started.
    It is too bad for the path you have chosen now. I am a Catholic Christian because I have learn through education and knowledge the truth in the Bible and its relationship to this universe. You said you have wasted your time in becoming once a Christian but stop and think you are probably wasting more time in what you are now in terms of knowledge and truth.
     
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    Unfortunate you consider truth as comical I guess that is the reason why you are stuck in the past.
     
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    Superficial? All humans are 100% identical. There is no superficial nonsense each human race has history of its own and none on their history will you find any evidence that they evolved from apes. If race is but a superficial then we should all be speaking one language, be one skin color, same height, same build, etc.
     
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    Ahhhh I get your shtick now....You are doing satire....got it.
     
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    Where is your proof that he is doing "satire"?
     
  20. GraspingforPeace

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    You mean we've all caught onto you using dishonest debating tactics to appear intelligent? Congratulations to us.

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    Did you seriously just say that all humans are identical? Every person living is exactly the same?
     
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    No, very little truth is comical.
     
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    Well, IMO, very little truth would not be comical but would be somewhere between sad and pathetic. Have you seen an example of 'very little truth' on this forum?
     
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    rephrase. Some truth is comical, a small percentage.
     
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    Accepted....
     
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    Why, you believe that you have more or less than 46 chromosome? Or that you can fly while other humans can not? You think that you and your kind are superior than others?

    Yes, I seriously believe that all humans are identical and the same.

    Please show me you are not serious????

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    Yes, indeed that is why you need to move forward from that.
     
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