Discussion in '9/11' started by Crankshaft, Mar 24, 2013.
I read bunches of names, from Bush's cousin, to the head of UBS making statements on the record.
It's always some cousin of Bush, eh? Got a name and evidence of wrongdoing?
Dinner time. Later.
Yes, the name is clearly listed in the article along with his wife.
This trade was flagged for investigation, but never investigated because, "There is no evidence of ties to terrorism".
Just to re-iterate that statement, this is like saying we are not going to investigate, because their is no evidence of ties to terrorism, which we wouldn't know because we didn't investigate.
Do you believe we have a complete and accurate accounting on all things regarding 9/11? That the story of 9/11, when told, is 100% truthful and full of indisputable facts because we have a complete and accurate accounting of 9/11? That there are zero information gaps like what we've seen in other controversies that have happened in our nation's past? That the shroud of secrecy has not contaminated the process of disclosure? That our government has been absolutely transparent in its admissions?
Are these the things you believe in?
There's also no evidence of ties to Bush. 'Walker' is not an uncommon name, but truthers never pass up a chance to make a wild speculation.
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Again, you blow a simple statement up into a huge speculative strawman.
only a hard core trougher could respod to this
"Do you believe we have a complete and accurate accounting on all things regarding 9/11?"
Like Hannibal said, this is a massive strawman. Why does it have to be one specific way? Are you saying that since there are anomalies that aren't completely explained that the next logical conclusion is that there is a massive government conspiracy? There can't just be unexplained things during an event this massive and catastrophic? If every simple thing in the world were explained in full detail then truthers would say "good enough for me" and walk away? They wouldn't say that since everything was explained that things don't seem right? This is the problem with truthers, nothing is ever good enough. Either there's no explanation which means conspiracy, or everything is explained which means conspiracy.
Crankshaft said this in the OP:
I countered with asking him six questions:
I asked that because he seemed to be coming from an absolute position, as in, that to the affirmative, neither in open-source nor behind lock and key does there exist anything that would be, I guess, incriminating or further damaging to our government in regards to 9/11. He said, "There's nothing there." My questions were meant to flush out of him an answer to the affirmative that no, he does not know what he is talking about, that the possibility of new disclosures are endless and that he doesn't have access to make a definitive statement like that, let alone, about something as huge and encompassing as 9/11. It is the height of arrogance... or possibly naivety. There are always little pieces of paper that can change the dynamic of the way a story is taught in History books. Given the level of secrecy the 9/11 Commission faced, I'd venture to say that there are lots of little pieces of paper that would blow our minds if they ever see the light of day. That is, if they haven't been destroyed already.
yeh shucks, thats what usually happens when the government investigates and claims a murder is the worst case of suicide they have ever seen and we see 5 shots to the head. troughers simply do not get it
I have spoken with multiple structural engineers, and one of them has said that if they had found 50 tonnes of thermite in the dust at 9/11, it wouldn't matter, there was no CD. That's what gets me, is take out all the little pieces of paper you want, but none of them will prove controlled demolition. There WAS ignorance, there was departmental pissing matches, there were mistakes that were made, but that doesn't mean the government caused them. It is a massive leap just to assume that ass covering means conspiracy.
Koko, I don't even know what the hell you're talking about half the time. Release a decoder ring or something.
now you know why I keep sayin that you guys simply "dont get it"
And again,that's not OUR fault
I know I know, I blame the education system. Thats why so many people today homeschool
Once again,your being wrong isn't OUR fault...
Well, if that isn't the biggest crock of ...........
So you guys can say whatever you wish, but nobody else can? Simply because I believe the opposite of what you believe, I'm an arrogant ignoramus because there are little pieces of paper etc etc etc? You don't see the irony in that post? Howzabout if I had said the same about your beliefs? Would that be okay or would you cry foul? I see your attitude frequently and seldom bother to respond because any response is met with comments like the ones above. I sometimes wonder if only three or four people share a thousand socks and troll sites just to keep things stirred up.
You guys have a much higher respect and admiration for the U.S. government than I. Your posts say the government is virtually infallible, and if the government hadn't made some nearly-impossible-to-detect errors the truth would never be known. The U.S. government is too incompetent to pull off what you're saying they did.
When I first started hitting the 'net to find out "what really happened" I was bombarded with links and comments from your side and welcomed with open arms because I WAS questioning what happened. In response to honest questions I started receiving insults and threats. I ended up on ignore and got no more answers because I would look at a recommended link and come back with more questions. I see the same thing in this forum.
On the other hand, people like cjnewson88 and leftysergeant patiently answered my questions, even when I didn't agree with something they said or when they had to repeat themselves.
You guys could take a lesson from the opposing side and not be so quick to condemn someone who has honest questions.
Reading idiotic crap pushes me further and further from even trying to understand the conspiracy movement. It's come to the point where, if you DID come up with something good, I'd probably be the last person here to buy into it. And I'm starting to suspect a lot of people who say the U.S. government planned and executed the 9/11 attacks don't believe it themselves.
Because you have absolutely no idea how to combine words to create sentences using the English language that make sense?
Yeah, I mean. You nailed it on the head. We don't get what you're talking about, because your sentences make no sense.
well then if there is some part of a sentence that you do not understand just ask, I am not going to retype everything just because you say it makes no sense;
hell a lot of people think the sky is blue LMAO
well good for you crank glad you found some friends that hand feed you.
Me on the other hand, I was not cut out to be a nurse.
So now that you are well informed tell us how a giant shadow bird can fly in, blow out the side of wtc 2 first then peek its lil nose out the other side as a plane in pristine condition?
Wow look at all that water pouring down those stairs!
Now isnt this a awesome picture of terrorist gross showing off the smoking gun
this is an osama ejector, for those in the jumper assistance program
want to tell us about those?
Better yet have lefty and cj explain how someone comes flying out a building feet first at 70 miles per hour?
They told me it was a boiler and that was steam and then later asked me "what floor it was".
Now I find that sort of funny.
That crap was debunks years ago. What you see if atomized fuel being forced out of the building, exiting from the windows of one floor at first, then from another, then several more. That fuel came out in a more-or-less flat spray, which, like that ejected from the side of the building toward the camera, deflagrated from the inside out. It became a ball of flame. There is nothing unusual here. Look at the shadow that it casts on the side of the building. It is too wide to be the nose of an aircraft.
So the standpipes to all of the sprinklers and the restrooms and water coolers were broken and leaking. What on earth could that possibly prove other than that there was no way for anyone or any installed system to fight the fires above the impact zone? We should expect this, given the damager that the impact did to the utilities running up the central core next to the stairwells.
So you have pictures of columns that failed at their points of connection to other columns? What does that, in you mind, prove? To the eye of a person with experience in fire fighting and the construction trades, it means sod-all.
The one column with signs of severe corrosion on one end looks like it was exposed to sulphuric acid in a hot environment. what does that prove?
Sorry, but it does not look much like a body, and we can expect all manner of things to come flying out that window. It is actually a vent for some sort of environmental control equipment. Steam pipes and such exploding wouyld not be the least bit odd right there.
This is a very important point. Why would a rational person not expect the occassional burst of something odd blowing out that window in an event of this scale?
I don't believe you're serious. You're intentionally pushing people away. The point was that someone took the time to dumb things down to my level. Folks with your attitude refuse to.
If you don't want to even try to explain, that's fine. In the future someone is going to ask an honest question, lefty or someone will answer it, and if you call the first guy a grade school dropout, a blind sheeple, an idiot, a goose and a tool... which of you two will the other guy listen to?
GREAT game plan.
over 1/2 inch of corrosion over several feet to a sharp edge. you are so over the top I now believe you are completely are out of your mind and should probably seek help.
Either that or you are absolutely clueless and should seek help.
Many pics have been posted on the topic showing how thermate erodes steel and the pic is a classic example.
nope you blew it pal you topped the charts with not only abject denial, but absolute loonacy in defense of your denial.
You have no experience what so ever and you have in this one post proven it.
Some people crave any attention they can get.
The last vestige of the 9/11 truth movement is populated with people who are insecure and self absorbed. For them, it's not about truth, or science, or policy. Its about them. It's about their fears. It's about their shortcomings. It's about their failures.
The idea of a conspiracy is a way for them to make sense out of something they simply don't comprehend. It's a way for them to assuage their fear of the unknown. It's a way for them to come to terms with the fact that they are not in control; at least someone is.
If you notice, the conspiracy itself isn't all that important. They don't bother to actually support a single narrative. It's the defense of the idea of a conspiracy, not the defense of an actual conspiracy that consumes them. And so they'll say and do any nonsensical thing they can think to do to try and convince themselves that the thing they can't understand simply cannot be true.
I'm sure you've seen it.
Very true. I was sort of a late comer to the whole thing but experienced the same cycle you describe. Been gone from here because it got so tiring reading the same old (*)(*)(*)(*) day after day. Decided to check back in recently and see that nothing has changed. Still the same old clueless bunch citing the same old debunked bull(*)(*)(*)(*). Hey, did you hear about the put options? (sigh)
Good Lord!! That's funny as hell coming from you!!
That sums it up quite nicely.
Just conspiracy theories, that's all.
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