Obama defines the Question of the Age

Teaching unions are generally pretty strong. I'm not convinced the problem lies soley with teachers though. Too much of the time nowadays, parents seem to think that the teachers are parents. Kids arrive at school without having had any stimulus from home, without a parent who has cared in the first place. The issue is bigger than schools imo.

Add to that the decimation of "meaningful" work, like who the hell wants a McJob? Kids need to believe that there's a point to going to school and studying, as well as a good set of teachers.

 

Soon we can get rid of the obsolete people.



[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57zZwpbtkDs"]The Obsolete Man (part 1) Parts 2 & 3 are on my page - YouTube[/ame]

 

You're going to try to run a country without labor?

It's an interesting idea. I don't think it'll work, but it's an interesting idea. What are you planning on using, robots? Clones? Genetically-engineered dogs that can type?

 

Interesting. This will not happen if the wealty have a say so in it.

 

You make it sound like America is on the edge of a bridge. My dad worked in a factory my entire life he put me, my sister, and my brother in college, although we did have scholarships. He made around 55k-60k a year, my mother made 30k-45k a year as a teacher. We lived comfortable lifes. the only reason my father wanted me to go to college is he did not want me to live the same life he did. He retires this year him and my mom have plenty of saving to make it until they are 95.

 

I agree with you again but the schools work very hard at keeping parents uninvolved. Education must be left to the "professionals" who continually claim they have no responsibility for the results.

Oh, and touchy-feely meaningful work. Now we part company. For me, the meaning of work was that I supported myself and my family. An acquaintance of mine was supporting her 26-year old son. He got a part-time job paying $50 a day but quit because the work wasn't meaningful. Well, I guess as long as mommy or Uncle Sam supports someone meaningful means something other than supporting yourself.

I truly wish schools, and the government, would enlist parents to help instead of simply undercutting them.

Oh, and underemployed means you don't have the job you think you should have. Undereducated too often means you can't read, write, or do basic math.

 

I'd love to take you up on that ASSumption in another thread. I've spent my entire career in a factory in a right-to-work State. None of our employees start out at minimum wage.
If you're interested in discussing this further, please start another thread and PM me.

 

Why is it that S&M continually harps on the idea that the highly educated deserve their privileged place in society and everyone else can go suck a lemon, and never actually forwards a single idea toward improving education in this country and generating more people with a valuable skill gained from secondary education? Is it perhaps the idea that the country should be run solely for his benefit (and that of the very rich he desperately wants to emulate) and all other Americans (approximately 83% of the population) shouldn't be considered?

This nation is still a democratic republic and the 17% should NOT outweigh the 83%. The kind of thinking S&M advocates would in the end lead either to revolution or tyranny or both.

 

Unfortunately, these days, having a High School Diploma doesn't necessarily mean that a person can either read (and comprehend) or write. It doesn't mean that a person can make change for a $10 bill either. Unions balance the playing field for those folks. Unionized day laborers, assembly line workers and hod carriers make $50-$60 grand a year and have adequate retirement plans.

 

LMAO

It isn't "emulation".

You see some of us actually make money directly from the rich and corporations and what is good for them is good for us. When corporations expand and have lots of salesmen and execs travelling into the area, that expands our profit margins, which are invested into expanding the company in which I work for and therefore directly opens up opportunities for me that I otherwise wouldn't have.

I know this may suck for certain people to admit, but for a good many of us in certain industries, trickle down works.

I have a direct financial interest in seeing corporations expand and do well. That is the bottom line. I'm merely looking out for my own rational self interest and that of my company. Which is something REAL employees are supposed to do. I don't believe in adversarial worker/employee relationships. My company is my home away from home, my bosses are my friends and business associates. I don't know what world everyone lives in where "the rich" are screwing people over. A world where everyone who isn't self employed hates their jobs and hates their boss and hates their career choices.

That is what mystifies me. It seems soooo many people on this forum that aren't self employed hate their jobs, hate their employers and hate their lives. Isn't anyone here happy working for someone else? Does no one here have a good boss? A good CEO who actually does the right thing? Work for a company that they actually LIKE getting up and going to work? I love my job, and I live within my means. WTF else can anyone ask for??

 

with all respect not everyone likes the crumbs 'trickling down' from the high corporations the wealth gap in this country is starting to become noticeable with the bad economy and people know they are getting swindled out of more pay that they are entitled to.

execs using private jets sitting on board rooms while their lower level employees slave away at their jobs, that is what they have become wage slaves they don't make enough to move up anymore

 

Yes SM feels the lowly blue collar workers should be slaves to corporations getting paid whatever scraps the company deems "generous". The funny thing is he is one of those people making less than 30k a year and actually follows his corporate masters like a fully trained dog.

 

My salary is based on the fair market value in my region and is a full 5k more a year than the average person in my position makes in my area and I work for one of the best management companies in the nation.

Sure beats what you are doing which is probably nothing.

That is why you liberals hate me so much, because I'm actually happy to get up and go to work every (*)(*)(*)(*)ing day while most of you bastards hate your lives and seek to spread your misery to others.

(*)(*)(*)(*) your ego in calling me a "fully trained dog". At least I get up and go to work in the morning and am happy to do so and love my job. So (*)(*)(*)(*) you.

 

Why do you have such a high regard for pieces of paper that say you are educated? This seems ridiculous to me. All a person needs is opportunity. If they can't turn an opportunity into a living, then let them deal with that.

A full 5k, huh? Perhaps that is why you are so hung up on a diploma, you like the comfort of having someone dole out a menial compensation to avoid taking risks. This is not a bad thing as many choose to do it, but don't assume it is the only method to attaining a living wage.