Obamacare fail! Affordable Care Act not so affordable.

I'm more interested in the incomes of those people. If they're all making over 100k a year, then I don't care about those numbers. They're not being hurt a single bit.

 

http://obamacare.heritage.org/obamacare-in-action-premiums-up-61-percent/

 

Have you ever made $100,000+/yr?

People live according to their income or their budget.

Someone with a six figure income can be as hard pressed to afford health care premiums as someone with a lower income.

Sometimes the lion's share of their monthly expenses are fixed and recurring and those debts can't be trimmed to afford increases in health care premiums.

 

Do you mind that I will call you a liar if you cannot prove your will accusation of who wrote the the Act? Oh, did you miss that Republicans were at every markup proposing changes and getting some accepted.

Your continuing lying gives me pause about responding to any of your comments.

Your rage is getting in the way of your reading comprehension. It is any republican plan or no plan that would tell people not to get sick.

This silly nonsense about ignoring people is the purview of stupid people. I understand not replying to every stupid comment but to not read all comments just re-enforce your bubble's walls.

 

The right's rage is really getting in the way of understanding things. He said that the proposals were IN the law. What are you talking about?

 

No, people don't. THey make money then spend more money then claim 'i barely make anything' while driving their brand new BMW. That's living foolishly. If you 'can't make ends meet' making 100k a year and paying 400 bucks a month for health insurance, you're doing it wrong.

 

I see that you have never made $100,000+. You do not realize how minor health care premiums are in the overall scheme. Now a few, even those at $100,000+, will live beyond these means to keep up with the Jones but among those people living within their means at $100,000+, it might hurt like some pinch but it is easily endured.

 

You have proven nothing bomac, and it is understandable why so many on this forum put you on ignore, trolling and flaming is not an acceptable way of conversation. So put up the evidence of this family being phony bomac, or face the fact that you are only here to spread your normal flaming hate.

Forum members respond to my posts, and I can see you have become irrelevant and ignored on this forum

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Then post them bomac or move along

 

Have you ever had a six figure + income?

After taxes it is less than you'd imagine.

And once you realize you need to live on a few thousand less per month you need time for contracts for services with their accompanying monthly charges, to expire.

I live on a lot less now than I once did.

 

Wanna bet $10,000?

 

Here's some context:
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2013/10/why-obamacare-might-help-the-man-on-fox.html

Here are two other facts that are often ignored:
-- Mangione chose not to buy the insurance offered by his employer;
-- The plan he was complaining about is the default plan that Humana offered him, not something he found by looking on the exchanges.

Also not mentioned is that the Mangiones didn't want an HMO plan, because they didn't want to be restricted to in-network doctors. So they decided to pay extra for a non-HMO plan. That is a personal choice, not an indication that Obamacare is a bad deal.

And finally, there's the fact that their new insurance policy is *better* than their old one, with more coverages, lower deductibles and fewer co-pays.

It's true that Obamacare, by requiring certain minimum coverages, resets the risk balance that consumers can find. The Mangiones had a lower-cost, high-deductible plan that saved them money if they had no serious medical issues, but would cost them significantly if something expensive happened -- as it did a few years ago. Under Obamacare, such people will pay slightly more in premiums -- but they will have better coverage, and thus be limiting their downside risk.

You might say that Obamacare shouldn't do that -- that people like the Mangiones should be able to take whatever gamble they want with their health coverage. But that ignores the main tradeoff in Obamacare: In order to make insurers cover pre-existing conditions, the law had to basically eliminate free-riders. That meant requiring everyone to carry insurance with sufficient coverage to cover their expected costs. Otherwise people with inadequate insurance might just declare bankruptcy in the face of a major medical bill, pushing the cost of their care on to the rest of us.

So yes, people who had lousy coverage before might possibly pay more under Obamacare. But the Mangiones' story leaves out an awful lot of context, and in several obvious scenarios Obamacare will save them money -- either in the short-run, or the long-run, or both.

 

It's real simple, go to Firefox, history...


Oh, whats the use you made it up....

We concede that the Republicans TRIED to change the law....none of their suggestions was accepted by the Democrat controlled House and Senate...

If you are saying they did accept changes, that Republican amendments were accepted and are now part of the law, present that now, or close the pie hole...

It's bull(*)(*)(*)(*) and we all know it....this dis-information campaign is dishonest, but typical of Obama's American and the Democratic Party..

You people make Nixon look like a statesman.....

 

Where?

Where is the proof? Have you posted the man's income tax records showing he's lying? His insurance premium bill?

Where is the phony other than you, caught in lie after lie, saying so?

You saying something is not proof, son. Just like Obama saying "I said it was a terrorist attack from the beginning" does not make him honest, but a bigger liar.


I am going to follow the suggestion elsewhere posted in this thread and put you on ignore. You have nothing to contribute to this forum.

Sorry.


Have a nice day and scrape together those Obamapremiums there...you don't want to get fined if you miss a payment.

 

as if I care what you believe....

 

That wasn't the choice, the choice was between ObamaCare or continuing with a system that was unsustainable, leaving more people uninsured every year that went by,and was locked in a selectivity death spiral, a system responsible for most of the bankruptcies in the US.
Keeping that system was the Republican alternative.

 

Nice to see that Liberals like to lie. The Republicans came up with their own plan when the ACA was being "debated" on. Or maybe you forget that part.

 

Line for line, it was almost the same with Obamacare. The main difference, that I can remember, was that there was no requirement to buy insurance or face a fine. The other main part was that you couldn't be denied based on pre-existing conditions.

 

Where is it you get all this "it's the republicans fault that they are responsible for bankruptcies"?

The system wasn't broken, politicians have totally screwed the average Americans by not allowing them a broader choice for purchasing insurance
Why do they only allow so few choices when it comes to insurance?
Why can't the consumer cross state lines to buy a cheaper policy?

Here is a wiki below that would work in America, and you have to ask yourself why we allow our politicians to continue to corn hole us?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_system_in_Japan

 

Since you can't remove the exclusion on pre existing conditions without an individual mandate, it was clear the GOP alternative was never serious, or on a proper scale.

 

Obama lied no doubt. Insurance premiums and deductables are thru the roof and it is a law to have it or pay a fine. The big corporate insurance companies are loving it. Thanks Barry, you sold out to big companies.

 

Do you know what an individual mandate is? It is a requirement to buy something. With Obamacare you are forced to buy insurance. With the Republicans plan you were not required to buy it at all. The 2nd thing was that there are a lot of insurance companies who are/were denying services to people because of pre-existing conditions. Obamacare has eliminated that. The republicans plan did that as well.

 

BTW have you signed up for Obamacare? What is your policy...EOB? What is your deductible, co=pay, OOP...etc.?

 

LOL...jealous are ya??? You're another one that thinks if someone makes 100K a year they are millionaires or billionaires like Obama keeps saying. If they own a small business that 100k gross is not that much. We've made 100k a year and we were comfortable but far from rich.

 

Just so. You need to transfer all those serious costs onto the young and healthy at the point of a gun.