Obamacare Is Succeeding!

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  1. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Judicial activism does not make it right. Far from it. One of the duties of government is to protect us from illegal force, where a citizen is forced to buy a private party product they don't want to purchase, but now government is participating in illegal force. Using your argument you would have to agree that killing Jews in Nazi Germany was right just because it was deemed legal by bureaucrats.
     
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    "It is an unconstitutional usurpation of my rights for the government to do this to me. It matters little of the government has made an agreement concerning foreign policy or defense to provide funds to Israel or any other nation.

    I do not believe you have read the Constitution. Would you like a link?"
    Governments abuse us every day. That fact that politicians usurp substantial powers illegally and unconstitutionally is not uncommon. Its commonness does not make it any less unconstitutional. The Supreme Court has never been immune from tyranny.

    We are fighting you. I am glad you are unaware. I want our victory to be a complete surprise to you.

    Here is that link. US Constitution
     
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    You don't have to by insurance, all that happens is you pay a Personal Responsibility Fee if you don't and are not exempt.
     
  4. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Just for being born. What a deal.
     
  5. Mr_Truth

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    LOL! Same irrationality displayed by those who criticized Social Security. They lost just like you did.

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    Equating ACA with the Nazis?????


    This is the high point of utter DESPERATION on your part.
     
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    ^ Republican failure.


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    By contrast, Democratic party success:


    Obamacare Just Made Americans Richer, Without Anyone Noticing



    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/...-bea_n_4892267.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592


    Huffington Post | by Kevin Short


    Glenn Beck once said Obamacare would mean "the end of prosperity in America forever." But so far, it turns out President Obama's 2010 health law is actually putting money in Americans' wallets.

    To be exact, President Obama's 2010 health law was responsible for about three-quarters of a surprising January rise in U.S. consumer spending and American income growth, according to calculations by the Wall Street Journal.

    While not exceptional, the gains were significant: a 0.4 percent rise in consumer spending ($45.2 billion) and a 0.3 percent rise in personal incomes (up $43.9 billion), according to new figures released by the Bureau of Economic Analysis. The growth came in spite of the expiration of unemployment benefits for the long-term unemployed and all that horrible winter weather.

    So what exactly did the Obamacare rollout do to cause such a rise? For one, it expanded the Medicaid program, a critical and highly controversial aspect of the law, by adding up to a $19 billion in benefits in January. On top of that, health care enrollees additionally received another near $15 billion in the form of tax credits as a result of the rollout, according to the BEA.





    Further proof Obamacare is working.


    Thank you Mr Obama!
    :flagus:
     
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    Sorry, but you are the one arguing that just because it is legal that it is right.
     
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    Not only is it legal, it's also working to save lives.


    Thank you President Obama!
     
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    ObamaCare is helping some people to the detriment of others. Our daughter, for example has to pay $4,000 more for health insurance because of ObamaCare, and once the small business exemption expires, she may lose her insurance. Anecdotes tell us some people with life threatening diseases have at least temporarilly lost coverage and access to their regular doctors. If the AFC act was so successful why is the administration changing features of the law, and why is it delaying implementation of others until after the next election.

    Even if the law was as successful as claimed, it was forced upon people who will lose without their consent or even a chance to consider the law's ramifications. The law passed because of lies. Obama knowingly lied multiple times. The administration is not even keeping accurate records on new accounts. This as Sen.Bachus said is a train wreck.
     
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    :roflol: You're kidding. Right? :roflol:
     
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    As opposed to the failure of Obamacare. LOL
     
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    Contrary to the endless lies of the delusional far right, Obamacare is working:





    Survey: Uninsured rate drops; health law cited


    By Associated Press

    WASHINGTON — With just three weeks left to sign up under President Barack Obama health care law, a major survey tracking the rollout finds that the uninsured rate keeps going down.

    The Gallup-Healthways Well-Being Index, released Monday, found that 15.9 percent of U.S. adults are uninsured thus far in 2014, down from 17.1 percent for the last three months — or calendar quarter— of 2013.

    That translates roughly to 3 million to 4 million people getting coverage.

    Gallup said the share of Americans who lack coverage is on track to drop to the lowest quarterly level it measured since 2008, before Obama took office.


    http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...ff92b2-a826-11e3-8a7b-c1c684e2671f_story.html




    More lives & money saved thanks to Obamacare.

    Thank you Mr Obama!
    :flagus: :flagus: :flagus:
     
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    [video=youtube;P5T8tZW0yrM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5T8tZW0yrM[/video]​
    Delaying the Obamacare law 30 plus times....
     
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    Correction: delaying part of the law thanks to Republican obstructionism. People will die because of it and Republicans will rub their hands with rapturous glee.
     
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    The only obstruction going on is POTUS delaying the law because it will hurt Democrats during the next election.
     
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    And if the Republicans didn't engage in obstructionism, the law would be fully implemented and lives would be saved. Saving American lives is something Republicans hate.
     
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    What gets me repeal is a dead issue 25 States have or clearly will expand Medicaid this year, four more are very likely to and even Florida is starting to talk about it seriously since its clearly now a matter of taking all the money or holding out and not. And to Florida its an estimated $5.1 Billion a year ,states own numbers, for eventually 10% in even adding some costs its like putting in $1.50 and getting $8.50 added to it which is a good deal for the state anyway you slice it.

    I do think the ACA needs fixing I would give the government block negotiating power for drugs and medical devices for Medicaid working with the states and I would add if you could have been insured and didn't all medical debts cannot be discharged in bankruptcy even after death.
     
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    Wrong again. The law is law already and it is to be implemented by Obama but he decided not too due to it being such a mess and hurting so many people.
     
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    The reason is that it will cost the States much more money.

    https://www.askheritage.org/how-much-will-obamacare-cost-your-state/
     
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    Like governor Nathan Deal; http://on.msnbc.com/1dL4izF So much for republicans stance on abortion. There's an amazing dichotomy going on with regards to sacrificing the safety , health, and well being of a state's citizenry while turning down a budget to maintain that integrity. The republicans are willing to sacrifice their own beliefs about abortion by rejecting the person from actually having the baby if the person does not pay up front at the hospital. All this time, while the child is in the womb already born according to them, they are willing to sacrifice the safety of that child exiting the womb, for the one and only reason, being Obamacare. The utter hypocrisy of protecting the baby in the womb while rejecting that baby being born at the hospital marked with insufficient funds is the ultimate pro-life lie of the century.
     
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    That is the liberal take on trying to conserve costs, doom.

    http://www.times-herald.com/local/20140225-deal-ER2014-02-25T11-11-11

    Isn't that what the whole point of covering everyone with insurance, to change the overuse of ER's? Do you actually think that people will quit using ERs if they are covered?
     
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    This thread gives me my daily :roflol: with all the Obama defenders who are trying to make a disaster look good. 10 million signed up but nobody knows or will say how many paid and ARE COVERED.

    And, how does that help the so-called 30 million uncovered?

    I have a question -- if there are more than 300 million Americans what makes the 10% so important that it's worth destroying our health care establishment? :roll:
     
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    How is it destroying our health care establishment?
     
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    That has nothing to do with a liberal take. What Deal is doing is reality on the ground. There is no debate. That is the reality. He is asking the federal government to excuse hospitals and emergency rooms from accepting people such as women having babies to even be accepted, if payment is not up front. How well does that speak for the pro lifers? Are they willing to let the baby die right there at the hospital door?



    http://www.times-herald.com/local/20140225-deal-ER2014-02-25T11-11-11

    Isn't that what the whole point of covering everyone with insurance, to change the overuse of ER's? Do you actually think that people will quit using ERs if they are covered?[/QUOTE]
     
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    Okay say a state ends up having to pay with related costs 20%, twice their official cut, in Florida HMO's are used the management costs to run it are fairly modest. Its still for every $2 put in the Federal Government returns $8 - still a damned awesome deal!

    And our states budget office did the numbers it will cost over the first decade $3 Billion and we get $25.5 Billion back even if the amount ends up twice that the state is still WAY ahead. And who will dare bring up cutting the funding if the majority or all states are on board? No one.
     
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