Officer Wilson recounts struggle with Brown

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  1. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    No shots from behind.

    The evidence he was surrendering is what? Arms raised, well that would also be a defensive motion if one is being shot at.
     
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    If a person hits a policeman, tries to get his gun that person has to be stopped by whatever means are necessary.. Any cop that allows a person to attack him and then run away is not doing his duty if the cop has to shoot the person in the back.

    But, in this case Brown rushed the cop and got a couple of bullets to his head. Not a sad thing but a positive thing for the community at large.
     
  3. Bluesguy

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    Fleeing felon attacks a police officer threatening serious bodily harm or death.
     
  4. Max Rockatansky

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    Brown attacked Wilson.

    Let's see; the Left claims Wilson is racist asshat who loves to harass blacks and instigated the incident so he could shoot himself a negro that day.

    The Right claims Brown is a dangerous thug "hopped up" on marijuana and went psycho on an innocent officer of the law necessitating the officer to defend himself.

    Personally, I think the truth is in the middle. Why Wilson stopped Brown is unknown to me. Something precipitated Brown to attack Wilson in his patrol car. Wilson defends himself and shoots at least twice. Brown breaks off, moves back, Wilson exits the car and continues shooting until Brown is dead. At least six shots are fired because Brown has six holes in him, but I'm guessing Wilson came close to emptying his magazine. The shell casings at the scene and remaining rounds in Wilson's sidearm will verify or disprove that theory.

    So where does that leave us? It's a justified shooting but Wilson, in a panic, continued shooting even when he no longer needed to do so. That may cost him his job but it won't put him in jail.

    That's just my opinion and I'm content to let the courts work it out.
     
  5. misterveritis

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    Arson is sufficient reason for deadly force.
     
  6. Bluesguy

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    Not necessarily pyscho.

    He and his fellow criminal were walking down the middle of a street was the initial reason for the encounter, then the radio call about the robbery came over the air.

    He didn't want to be arrested for a felony.

    Or the weapon was discharged during the struggle for it hitting Brown in the arm.

    He orders Brown to freeze, Brown turns and bum rushes him, Wilson shoots until he stops him.

    I think we know 10 shots were fired, the exact number that hit Brown is unknown as some of the wounds could have been caused by the same bullet.

    Ahh when did he "no longer need to". The statement for Dr. Baden is that the shot that hit him in the head was the last one as it would have been instantly fatal.

    Why would it do that if it was a justified shooting?
     
  7. Bluesguy

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    Surround the city with enough troops to wall it off and let them burn it down and kill each other, then more permanantly disband the police force build a permanent wall and let them live without a police force or law enforcement.

    See how much they want the police back after that.
     
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    you have to use some common sense, he was pulled into the car, then was trying to get away, the cop shot him while still in the car, thus the blood in the car
     
  9. Bluesguy

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    Not according to some of the pro-Brown witnesses. And common sense is he was not pulled into the car, no police officer is trained to do such a stupid act, but that he reached into the car to assault Wilson, thus the struggle for the gun in the car resulting in Brown getting the arm wound. Common sense is Wilson was not out to shoot someone on a busy public street with witnesses all around.
     
  10. Max Rockatansky

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    I've walked down the middle of many neighborhood streets and never once been accosted by a police officer.

    If an intruder breaks into your home, you would be justified in shooting them. What you would not be justified in doing is walking up and delivering a kill shot as they lay wounded on the ground.

    In Wilson's case, he's an officer of the law and, rightfully, held to a higher standard of conduct. If he lost control and continued firing when there wasn't reason to do so, he would stay out of jail, but the city might not desire to have him on the streets with a gun. Too much liability for one thing.

    On a final note, didn't Wilson have a traumatic incident in his record where he probably shouldn't have been on the street? If so, he might have a lawsuit against the city. Even so, he would probably still lose his job.
     
  11. Bluesguy

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    This is a street with business and stores on each end and apartment complexes on both sides, not just a "neighborhood street". Walking down the middle of a street is against the law.

    You're trying to claim Wilson shot Brown because he was walking down the middle of the street??? How absurd.

    He is actually held to a higher standard of duty as in apprehending a violent felon.

    The reason to stop is the assailant is on the ground and no longer attacking him.

    Why when he was doing his duty? And what point are you contending he should have stopped firing his weapon?

    Not that I am aware of and before you post such things YOU should verify it. And he should be given a commendation if as the evidence appears it was a justified shooting, he could have lost his life during the attempt to apprehend a violent criminal.

    What we ALL should fear is no one wanting to be a police officer anymore because of what Wilson is facing.
     
  12. Max Rockatansky

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    I had no idea you were an expert on the local laws of Ferguson, MO. Could you please cite the code on that one so I can read it for myself?

    Well, since I'm not a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) liberal who counts on police officers to save them, I'm not worried. We have county sheriffs out here, but if I was being robbed, help is at least 15 minutes away. It'd be all over by the time they showed up. While you city people are free to sell your guns and be assured of a quick police response in an emergency, us rural folk are in a different situation. Personally, I like it that way since the risks are low, but also have less need of law officers.

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    Saying a cop reached out a car window with one arm and tried to pull a 300 lb guy into the car with him is not common sense. :roll:
     
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    It's interesting to see the Liberal freak brigade try to attack a police officer who's story held up and is supported by the forensics 100%.

    Anything to cry "RACISM".

    This has been a total exposure of the vacuous nature of the Leftist ideology.
     
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    If this 300lbs monster over powered him why wasn't Officer Wilson shot in the leg instead of Brown being shot in the arm?
     
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    I didn't see anything about Holder in the article.

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    Does anyone have the evidence?

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    Do you have anything to back any of that up?
     
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    Well now let's apply a bit of logic to a life and death struggle between two grown men. You see the interesting thing about a cop fighting for his life is that he actually fights; meaning that he's applying all his strength and all the street fighting wisdom he's learned and so it's not as straight forward as 'Overwhelming strength flat out wins the struggle in a heartbeat.' There is wriggling and twisting and turning and jerking and other things going on and so there is also . . . physical movement occurring even in the face of overwhelming strength.

    Now what's strange is that there are actually adults who need to be told this sort of thing.
     
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    Have you ever reached through a car window and tried to reach across someone and take their gun?
     
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    You actually have to read the article, not just look at the link: :roll:

    Who is the head of the DOJ?
     
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    True, but where did it say anything about the federal investigation so far other than its continuing.
     
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    Yes. The courts always work it out. Protest all you like, but if you think mob rule should change the court system, don't cry fowl when it blows up in your face down the road.
     
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    Pfft.

    So he got his story together after months and doubtless had an army of people crafting what he would say to the letter...and he's so kind he's going to do it even if he doesn't have to.

    Barf. It's a mockery of justice from the very beginning. This should have been done Day 1. He is likely lying his face off.
     
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    I thought you said it didn't say anything?

    It also said the evidence does not support a civil rights violation, but I guess you ignored that part.
     
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    You know exactly the same can be said to Brown's cohort in the robbery, right?
     
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    That's funny...it is the same story I heard right after it happened.
     

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