On trans-sexuals and their "right" to use the opposite sex' bathroom

LOL. That's a very convenient way to avoid my 3 simple questions! You're telling me to read and comprehend what I wrote about pedophiles, and what I wrote about hating trans, none of which I wrote, so how can I read it?

 

I never said a thing about you coddling anything.
Men aren't entering female bathrooms.

 

Okay, you didn't say anything specific about me coddling, but you talked about Christianity and it seemed that you were making me guilty by association. Is that true?

Have you just conveniently ignored all of the evidence which I've sent to you which proves otherwise? Yeah, I think you have!

 

No, but you seem guilty for some reason.

All the evidence? The 5 cases of someone taking pics, while thousands of straights take the same type of pics?

 

I SEEM guilty of what exactly?

You made the blanket statement of "Men aren't entering female bathrooms." How is that true if you are acknowledging 5 cases?

 

What did the 5 cases you linked to that supposedly backs up you assertions contain?

I didn't look at all your links, for you gave nothing about what the links contained. The one's I looked at dealt with people taking pictures.
I can't believe you know nothing about what you type and claim.

 

The main 3 which I originally linked to are 3 incidents at Target which all happened within the 3 months following Target's ridiculous, liberal policy was introduced. (coincidence? I certainly don't think so) They were all trans women who I believe to be simply men. Whether or not you think they are a women, it doesn't matter. They were still committing a crime! These policies legitimize the entry of certain questionable people into women's spaces who wouldn't otherwise enter. Of course, the vast majority of trans women will be no threat and of course many will have had major transitions and have the appearance of a women and so will have been using women's bathrooms long before these policies were introduced.

 

A crime is a crime. Regardless if straight or trans.
Again, a person could dress up and take pics 10, 20, years ago. Although, it is the smart phone which made it so easy.
Coincidence, yep, IMO.
There is no legitimizing going on at all. Period. As you and I say, a crime is a crime. More straights commit the crime you claim is only the result of Targets policy. It is being dishonest.

We've beat this to a pulp.

 

Yes, but that's got nothing to do with this.

Correct.

I didn't claim that the crime is ONLY the result of Target's policy. Once again, I'm saying that the policies provide the freedom of entry to certain questionable people with bad intentions into women's spaces who wouldn't otherwise. enter. THIS is my claim.

Yes, we certainly have!

 

I have a hard time understanding this maybe because I'm a man. So I want to try.

So okay I get that they're being a man in the bathroom can be uncomfortable first off why are they there it's a place where there's not other people around so it's easy to become victimized or attacked I get that.

Are you worried that men are going to dress up like women and pretend to be transsexual to walk into the restrooms and attack women? Are you worried that we are going to get it to where we don't care if we see men not dressed up as women walking into the women's restroom?

Am I way off here?

 

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The reality here is that transgenders exist is very small numbers, so small, most have lived their entire lives never seen or met one. I have no problem with TG except in public rest rooms, the possibility of abuse is high.
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I once used the women's WC because the men's was "out of order". It was a single WC with a lock, not a communal sort with more than one person using it. When I unlocked the door and came out the custodian ragged me out "in the interest of hygiene"! Hygiene? Ridiculous. But yes, I agree with you. If the community has seen fit not to mix men and women in a state of undress then transvesting ought not to be allowed some sort of 'free pass'.

 

Aren't you?

 

These are concerns I have but I'm not a woman WAN said she was. And I'd really like her perspective.

 

Do you acknowledge though that many have likely been using women's bathrooms for years even before these policies?

 

http://topyaps.com/transgender-beauty-queens
You tell us. Which bathroom do you think these 20 may use?

 

My thoughts are that since the founding we have had no need to make laws on what bathrooms people should or should not be using. We as a society now have hundreds of thousands of laws for just about everything and its really dragging us down. There are very rare cases where a trans person has used the bathroom for harassment so you are literally trying to make a law to solve a problem that doesn't exist. It makes no sense to make laws because you "feel uncomfortable" and its crazy to check people's driver's licenses in the bathroom and put people in jail because they used the wrong bathroom.

 

When I see pictures of their genital region, then I can give my answer.

 

What a perverted thing to say.
So, people need to drop their drawers before you let them go to the bathroom.

 

It doesn't matter if the risk of 'abuse' is super low, it's an incursion by men, into a time and space in which women and girls are vulnerable. For reasons of pure narcissism.

Just another brand of male dismissal of women, in the service of their own egos.

 

So you're okay with a tiny number of men (and their legion of chauvinist enablers) declaring that the feeling of safety currently relied upon by our daughters/sisters/mothers/grandmothers etc while at their most vulnerable, is of no consequence?

 

Yeah, I made a silly joke. Anyway, yeah those trans women can certainly use the ladies room! I would have no issue with that.

 

Who is suggesting that it should be ILLEGAL for certain people to enter certain bathrooms?

 

Feelings of safety is no good ground to make laws and put people in jail. What matters is actual safety. The reality is that most states have never had any bathroom laws and those that do barely enforce them because they are almost impossible to enforce yet most people still are safe and feel safe in bathrooms. We need fewer laws not more and it if was up to me I would get rid of hundreds of thousands of laws not add more unnecessary laws that are based on feelings.

If I were to regulate bathrooms I have to take into account that many trans people have had surgery, lets say a woman who became a man. If she is forced into the women's bathroom then that will make the women and children there feel less safe because they think a man is in the bathroom and they are likely to harass the trans person and even call the cops. What would be better is to make the surgery the line between what bathroom is used. You have to use the bathroom of your birth or what the surgery has made you into.

 

As long as you don't want any North Carolina style bathroom laws I have no bone to pick with you.