one last time : what is "woke" and why is it a bad thing?

And it's all being spouted by leftists the misinformation that is.

 

Right. You are not oppressed. POCs are .

 

"Woke" means "being aware of the dangers of fascism". As in being aware of systemic racism and its historical roots, politicians who want do to away with equal rights for LGBTQ+, those who oppose women's rights, the perils of climate change,...

Just that! Being aware of the things that are intended to take away our human rights! If you are "woke" you are aware. If you are "asleep", as politicians like DeSantis would like you to be, you are unaware.

Who opposes being aware? Fascists, of course! Fascists are threatened by equality because their goal is inequality. A society in which white Christian males reign supreme.

AND... people who may not themselves be fascists, but are excessively receptive to propaganda (the politically correct terminology for "gullible").

I can't think of anybody else who would oppose being aware of reality.

We can debate whether or not inequality exists... or in which areas of society. All that is debatable. And fascists like DeSantis know they would lose the debate. So to avoid debating, they just encapsulate it in the word "woke" and attack A WORD, instead of trying to convince us that their efforts to promote inequality don't exist. Because they know they can't.

 

If this is true, for someone that hangs around a political chat room, such a lack of understanding is truly shocking.

The truth is, I highly doubt that you are being forthcoming.

 

not sure that the original definition of woke had anything at all to do with lgbtq. it perhaps has been hijacked by them, unless you can prove me wrong, id be happy to learn something new about the history of the term that is contradictory to my understanding.

erykah badu being one of the more famous ppl who used the term back in 2010.

 

This is correct. I am not oppressed bsaed on the color of my skin, my sexuality, my national status. etc etc.

But many others are.

 

It didn't, originally. But it has always meant, in general terms, being aware of social injustice. Therefore, LGBTQ+ rights, women's rights, the rights of any ethnic group or minority group also fall into the definition.

 

Being aware of social injustice towards the black community is what it always meant. The LGBTQ community has hijacked it, just as they hijacked the rainbow nation, which was originally a South African movement to denote the multi ETHNIC make up of the new South Africa.

 

And who is oppressing them?

 

Legal and financial systems that were specifically put in place to disenfranchise them.


Go look up the term Red Lining for example. Why is the penalty for crack 10 times harsher than for cocain? Hint - Because white people mostly do cocain, and black people mostly use crack.

Systems that were built upon extremly racist policies continue to discriminate even today.

 

It's essentially the believe that race, sex, sexual preference, young children being capable of making life changing (and irreversible decisions are the primary driving factors in how governments and private organizations should be run.

 

Right. White people are the oppressors. POCs the oppressed. That is wokeism. And you sir are woke.

 

If you want to call making sure that people arent discriminated against based on the color of their skin, sexuality, or other things of that nature, then I am proudly woke.

And people who deny these things exist are generally racist biggoted jerks.

 

Wrong! Just social injustice in general. Obviously since it originated in the black community that was their main topic. But they have made it clear that they (the black community) are talking about all types of discrimination.

You can call it "hijack" until your face turns blue, if you want. The only reason in can think of to insist on that is clearly to gratuitously attack the LGBTQ+ movement. In fact, the LGBTQ+ community, as far as I know, has never referred to their own awareness of discrimination as being "woke". But the community that does use it habitually has made it clear that they DO include LGBTQ+, women and ... ANY group that is being discriminated against, as one that should stay "woke"

 

Then you'll be able to show me someone who says being woke is being aware of homophobia...

 

Of course inequality exists. It is part of nature and reality. Whites are smarter than blacks, Men arevstronger than women. Inequality is not a goal, t's reality. The wokesters are the reality deniers.
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If you let people be free, the superior will rise to the top.

 

OR.... you can read my sig where you will notice I do MY research. And you do yours.

I can tell you this... as far as I know EVERYBODY uses the term today to include discrimination against LGBTQ+ . On ALL sides of the political spectrum: fascists, conservatives, progressives.... So it's not even controversial. Or worth my time to do your research for you. You try to fabricate a controversy because you thought you could attack the LGBTQ+ community. It didn't work. But do feel free to post ANY results from your research that lead you to believe that the term, today, does not include that community.

You know what would be more interesting? If you use the time to research if LGBTQs refer to THEMSELVES as woke in any consistent or widespread manner. Mind you, not interesting enough for me to divert my energy from way more important topics that I am now researching. But... since you'll be doing research to support your assertion that they "hijacked" the term anyway... that would be were you would need to start making your case.

Have fun!

 

Of course this discrimination exists. Our civilization depends on it.

Being bigoted is intensely rational .

 

i am going to continue using "woke" as a cpmpliment.

to oppose "wokeness." well, who could oppose something so positive?

 

Im curious as to why you think our civilization depends on it.

 

I'm surprised this question is still being raised.

The answer to your first question, from someone who has actually studied its Critical origins and nature:

Woke/Wokeness
https://newdiscourses.com/tftw-woke-wokeness/

As for why it is a bad thing, that can be answered in various ways. For example, Martin Luther King Jr.'s chief of staff, Wyatt Walker, explained why CRT is a bad thing:



The Civil Rights Legend Who Opposed Critical Race Theory
by Steve Klinsky
Oct. 12, 2020
RealClearPolitics

"Today, too many ‘remedies’ -- such as Critical Race Theory, the increasingly fashionable post-Marxist/postmodernist approach that analyzes society as institutional group power structures rather than on a spiritual or one-to-one human level -- are taking us in the wrong direction: separating even elementary school children into explicit racial groups, and emphasizing differences instead of similarities.

“The answer is to go deeper than race, deeper than wealth, deeper than ethnic identity, deeper than gender. To teach ourselves to comprehend each person, not as a symbol of a group, but as a unique and special individual within a common context of shared humanity. To go to that fundamental place where we are all simply mortal creatures, seeking to create order, beauty, family, and connection to the world that -- on its own -- seems to bend too often towards randomness and entropy."

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a...who_opposed_critical_race_theory_144423.html#!

Bonus article/answer:

The Complex Relationship between Marxism and Wokeness
https://newdiscourses.com/2020/07/complex-relationship-between-marxism-wokeness/

This "complex relationship" might explain why RWers think "Wokeism" is bad and LWers (or many LWers) don't think it's bad.

 

I'm not interested in what it means today, it's been hijacked by everybody and their momma for their own selfish purpose.

 

Woke will always mean being aware of systemic racism. The day the meaning changed was the day the term was retired and a new term was formulated. Whites stole the word and redefined it in order to hide it's true meaning and power.

 

otherwise, leftists go around saying math is racist.

 

Let's Cancel All The Things!

OUT: TARGETING CIVIL WAR GENERALS. IN: TARGETING CIVIL WAR HORSES. Canceled: Washington & Lee University removes plaque honoring Robert E. Lee’s horse.



They didn't like the long tradition of placing apples on his marker