One of my technicians just died of Covid

The "anti-masking thing" was a thing since day one.

 

That's hilarious.

 

It's funny though how the left and the lefty media make sure to promote these stories while sweeping other stories under the rug that they don't want people to hear, such as how many of the vaccinated are hospitalized and die or those having serious reactions to the vaccines, including death. Don't want to hype up those stories at all, we are simply told that these are very small numbers and the vaccines are worth the risk. But, they won't tell us how many, it's just a "small number".

 

It just may be that the conflicting directives on masks had some effect on what people believe? The left wing demigod Fauchi told us they weren't effective initially. It was wash your hands and keep your distance. The President even gave a tutorial on hand washing. I don't think masks do a damned thing other than identify true believers but I wore one when and where required so I wouldn't upset anyone. What I really believe is that it is criminal to cause the deep fear this political struggle is instilling in some of us.

 

Reading the OP again, my earlier post stands corrected...ZERO display of empathy for the deceased. Only to advance a political agenda was the OP posted.....NO, "gee, I'll sure miss old Bob...."

Nothing of the sort.

 

Oh just stop with the "initially" bull crap - initially we didn't think men could fly - Fauci changed is directives and made it VERY clear
masking helped (though we seem to have a number of challenged individuals who think perfect should be the enemy of good) and
that has been the case for well over a year.

Let me ask you - when you cough or sneeze in public, do you not cover your mouth - even though we know it's not 100% effective.
Why did common curtesy have to take a back seat to "freedoms"?

 

Never let a good crisis go to waste, even if you can use just one person to further your agenda.

 

Fauchi lied when it was politically advantageous. Fauchi will always do that, that is VERY clear.
There are a number of experts with information on any health issue at hand and people can hear the arguments/information and decide for themselves what the risk is and what is their best course of action. Shockingly they don't really need you to do that for them.

 

Where are you getting this from?

 

Delta is less deadly.

 

OIC OK thanks.

I live to entertain.

 

Shockingly, these are the same people who read an internet blog and think it gives them a PhD in Virology. Whatever, dude.

 

Are you sure of that? I have heard varying opinions.

It seems nearly certain it is much more virulent, and that would seem to indicate more deadly too to my way of thinking. INADB however.

I hope you're right. It seems almost a sure thing I will catch this one and I have several comorbidities so even with being vaccinated I may still be unfortunate if I get sick and it is very strong

 

Forums are opinions and those don't require a PHD on any subject.

 

You don't need a PhD just to make a single health decision. OTOH this is your life, not what bar will have more women.

 

Since this guy was a Biden voter who didn't like Trump, as OP stated, maybe he hesitated on getting the vaccine because Harris said she wouldn't trust it.

I'd also like to know what city/town this happened in.

 

During the runup to the last election all Democrats were questioning the vaccines, it was the anti Trump thing to do because Trump was pushing so hard for them. Now it's Trump, whose office did everything possible to help and encourage the development of a vaccine, that is chief antivaxer?

 

So Fauci, who had been a virology specialist for decades just learned in 2020 that masks were effective to stop the spread of virus?

When people wearing a mask have to sneeze or cough, they usually move the mask out of the way so they don't have to walk around with a wet or snotty mask. Doesn't help at all.

 

I've caught Covid-19, my wife has caught it, my 60 year old condo neighbors to the right of my place caught it and my 80 year old neighbors to the left of me caught it. Jane was on oxygen for about two weeks, other than that all six of us survived with few known sequelae, to use a term I learned here at PF. April 24, 2020 my Mom died in a nursing home from a case of pneumonia that came on unexpectedly and killed her in two days. She didn't even make it out of the home and to a hospital. Just because I don't happen to know anyone other than my Mom that died from Covid-19 doesn't mean that I harbor some type of skepticism about its lethality to a small percentage of the population.

According to the 2020 census the US population is 331,449,281.

According to John Hopkins the Covid-19 US infection count is 37,678,088 and the total number of US deaths is 628,342.

This disease has therefore infected about 11.4% of the overall population and killed about 0.19% of the population in the US.

This means that if you know 1000 people, which is a stretch I think for most folks, you will on average know 114 people that have caught Covid-19 and 2 people that have died from it.

If you know 500 people then you are on average likely to know 1 person that has died from it.

If you know 250 people then you aren't likely, on average, to know anyone who has died from it.

However, the 2020 deaths assessed to Covid-19 by the CDC are well less than 628,342,


https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7014e1.htm

That's 0.1% per year, with it yet to be seen whether 2021 sees it stay the same, increase, or decrease. That's 1/1000, and likely no one dying whom you know if you have 500 friends, family and acquaintances....

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Personally, I'm not a fan of shutting down all of civilization over Covid-19.

The worst case is that we never did anything to mask, or to stay at home, or to designate business winners and losers all to the benefit of Amazon and large corporations, etc. ad nauseum.

And then we extrapolate the numbers to 100% infected that would be about a factor of 10x resulting in about 6.3 million dead in the US and potentially about 144M globally given a population of about 7.6B.

I don't think these are realistic numbers though. I'm no epidemiologist, but I don't think they generally forecast that 100% of a population are likely to be infected by a transmissible virus.

Let's say it went to something like 66% overall infection rate and a corresponding increase in mortality to 1.14% of the total population for a total of 3.8M US deaths due to Covid-19. This is however purely speculative. We have one of our resident self professed experts here at PF that claimed that *all the data* showed it is safe to reopen schools. This was I think around this time last year, when we had no data on school infection rates because all the schools had been closed since March 2020. More speculation: 3.8M US deaths from Covid-19 if we hadn't taken the steps we did....

This perspective I suppose has some overlap with lots of folks that form the so called base of what has become of the R party these days, but this aspect of our culture in the US is far older than Trump and has roots in fundamental existential philosophies of life, to wit:



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I think crediting Trump with anti-masking may have a small basis in fact, but since he's been vaccinated and has now made recommendations that folks get vaccinated pointing to the fact that he has had his, well, no, it's not even Trump supporting the anti-vax stuff among the R base now. And for those here that like to blame Trump for Covid-19 deaths, well, I don't reckon I'm on board with that bogus conflation of cause and effect. Sure, a stronger, faster and better managed Federal response would likely have reduced the number of infections and deaths. Sure, putting his MBA genius son-in-law and Mike Pence on it proved to be ineffective. But I don't recall the CDC top level guys resigning over the vast amount of incompetence. Dr. Fauci, man-on-point then, man-on-point now somehow seems not to support the narrative that some folks like to toss off blaming Trump for Covid-19 deaths.

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Anyone is free to act anyway they want. For what it's worth, I find it somewhat short on taking personal responsibility for one's opinion when one replies with a whataboutism to criticism by others of that opinion. I don't find your position particularly immoral, but I do find it somewhat laughable that you assert Golem is just making this story up. Fake PF news, eh? Righhhhhhhht. Just more partisan one line attempts at being clever and scoring a point with your PF team.

 

Trump has been anti-vax (and Democrat) for decades before he ran for office. He's an opportunist though so he just says whatever he thinks people want to hear. He changed parties to do just that probably because he knew Democrats wouldn't have elected his lying, cheating and dumb @ss.

As you know I don't like him at all (in case you missed any of the 43,298,765 other times I said it. However, he isn't to blame for the anti-vaxxer movement. They exist mutually exclusive from him. I know several Trumpers that think he should go f&ck himself on the vaccine issue but support him in every other way.

Yes, he's a world-class jerk and idiot and traitor to our country. BUT, the anti-vax agenda is NOT his doing.

 

Some people here have said it would go a long way to help the nation if Trump were to endorse taking the vaccine. Well, in a recent speech he did just that (classic Trump humor in bold):

"I believe totally in your freedoms, I do, you gotta do what you gotta do, but I recommend take the vaccines. I did it. It's good," Trump said, eliciting brief boos from his supporters.

"That's OK, that's all right," the former president added. "But I happen to take the vaccine. If it doesn't work, you'll be the first to know. But it is working. You do have your freedoms, you have to maintain that."
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tr...ts-booed-briefly-on-vaccines-at-alabama-rally

 

The article is just a feel good story of people who picked a cause and want to help.

The REALITY is every hospital in the country has charger stations. I've been in the hospital about 90 times in the past 10 years and my nurses have ALWAYS put my phone on a charger and brought it back to me when fully charged. All the patient has to do is ask them.

I suppose it could be a shortage or waiting period in larger hospitals with hundreds of COVID patients on top of other admitted patients but I doubt it's a nationwide crisis.

What I find annoying about this kind of thing is ONE person IS allowed to visit an admitted person. Granted, it has to be the SAME person for the duration of the hospitalization but that's more than ZERO. And, EVERY admitted patient is allowed to have family and/or friends drop off things to the nursing station (some of them have made this stricter since COVID rerouting people to a waiting area for the nurse or aide to go get the patient's items instead of the person actually walking onto a hospital floor) but it's still possible.

So, this situation (in the article) is the family's negligence, not some nationwide crisis about phone chargers.

 

Sorry about your mom, GM. I'm glad you, your wife and neighbors recovered.

 

UK numbers show it. We are something like 6 weeks behind them.