That argument didn't work for FSU last year for several reasons. They would have been a underdog to half a dozen teams on a neutral field towards the middle to end of last season. Beating a spread is irrelevant. Everyone knew once FSU got ahold of a top 5 team they were going to get destroyed, and low and behold Oregon murders them. OSU is still the odds on favorite as of today to win the title by a wide margin. http://alabama.247sports.com/Bolt/Las-Vegas-updates-odds-to-win-College-Football-Playoff-40573751
now you're putting stipulations on it. The first post simply said "until now, it's still our buckeyes until proven wrong" The same could be said about FSU last season..... Oregon eventually proved them wrong.... but at this point in the season last year, it wasn't "still the Seminoles until proven wrong".... thye arleady had lost #1, despite being undefeated. Personally, I see OSU losing one of two games.... UM and MSU.... we'll see. I think ultimately, the Big 10 is won by a team (msu or osu) that is undefeated, aand thus assured a spot in the playoffs. at this point big 10 - undefeated champ Sec - 1 loss champ - in ACC - I hope FSU can win it and thus, the champ would have 1 loss. pac 12 - 2 loss champ big 12 - 1 loss champ IF... and this is a big if..... IF it turns out like this I think the pac 12 is out. I think we should scrap current rankings.... conference championships are playins for the final 4. power 5 conferences + all the independants/smaller conferences.... 6 groups fighting for 4 spots. After championships are decided.... rank the final 4 and go from there. no conference should have 2 representatives because they would have already played/lost to the champ at some point.
If ole miss wins out, wins the SEC, they can go in possibly (not definite of course). Their non conference lass to Memphis would be overshadowed by a SEC domination. Say again though, there's a chance if they win out- obviously not the best chance.
of course they could.... but UGA could also win. I forgot that Ole Miss could get in still in the SEC. They have to beat LSU, but yeah, a 2 loss team Imagine if 2 loss Ole Miss vs 2 loss UGA for the SEC Championship.... I think the ESPN would stroke out over that.
Lol yea that would be crazy. Me being an Ole Miss grad is hoping for it. But me being an OIe Miss grad is used to season by season of pure disappointment.
yeah, I don't think they make it. They aren't elite... they are very talented, and can play with the best of them, but Florida embarrassed them and Memphis just proved that Bama win was a fluke. I think Bama vs UGA rematch in the SEC championship is on the way.
The bama game wasn't a fluke. It was all of our talent actually showing up. Hugh Freeze is the problem. The 4th and 1 stupid packages with Ligon....it's horrible. He's wasted so many possessions. Plus, Kelly can throw! Let him throw it down field! We have the best receiving core in the nation! Every teams stops our stupid bubble screens.
the most realistic thing I see happening is LSU or Bama in the SEC championships, and a shoe-in for the playoffs if they win, and a 2 loss team in the east, that's too far out to make the playoffs, no matter what, ends up pulling off the upset and therefore eliminating the SEC completely I remember in 02, LSU elinminated UT from the National title picture because they pulled an upset and won the SEC. LSU didn't get to go play in the title, so it cost the SEC a potential title. Had LSU just layed down... the SEC could have won another title. You can't tell me that the SEC commisioner didn't understand that. in 2011, AU barely beat USC in the regular season... came down to the last play. But in the SEC championship rematch.... a 2 loss USC had no chance in playing for a national title.... AU did. The SEC commissioner knows this. These kind of scenarios can lead to major corruption. What's more important... an SEC national championship.... or letting it sort itself out and potentially have USC win an SEC title over a team they ALMOST beat in August? I'd argue AU national title. Do the commissioner get a SEC network if the SEC hadn't won 6 titles in a row? I'm not saying there was any corruption, or the SEC commissioner telling Steve Spurrier, "congrats on making the title game, but lets not mess things up by winning it and costing the entire SEC monies from a title game..." but with this much money on the line... corruption is a real possibility
I disagree with that last sentence. If the CFP is designed to get the four best teams, conference is irrelevant. What should be interesting is something like a scenario where a undefeated OSU plays a undefeated Iowa for the Big Ten title. If Iowa were to lose that game by a point to the #1 ranked team in the country, could you justify putting a 2 loss conference champ in front of them? Or play with the idea that Notre Dame wins out, or Houston wrecks everyone else on their schedule. Furthermore, OSU is going to whip MSU and Michigan.
I like the winner of OSU and Iowa out of the Big ten SEC will likely be LSU Big 12 will be Baylor ACC will be Clemson. Darkhorses are Michigan State and BAMA
but LSU will have already played Bama, and it will have been sorted.... why do you need Bama vs LSU 2.0 again, when the ACC champ and Pac 12 champ are left off due there only being 4 spots. I guess it depends if you look at the playoff as the best of each conference playing on the field. Making LSU have to beat Bama twice, when bama only has to beat LSU once, shouldn't be allowed to happen again. But pretend that UF wins the SEC, and FSU wins the ACC where FSU's only loss is to UF in a season, and UF is undefeated..... There are many scenarios that are gray areas that could make the college playoffs implode. The issue with putting 3 SEC schools in the playoffs means, they don't have to play anyone outside the conference really, (or handpick the small schools) in order to win a national title, and never have to compete against oether conference champs. We saw how well that worked out for the SEC last year when the ACC swept the SEC in November, and the rest of the nation thumped them in January. Bama would have never had to prove they could beat OSU had they got to play MS ST twice
I don't think I'm alone when I say that I'm interested in watching the four best teams play in the CFP, and geographical dominance is irrelevant to me. If the best two teams in the country are from the same conference, so be it. Why should the selection committee reward a inferior team with a spot in the CFP based on nothing more than geography?
I can't speak for anyone else, but I think it's two things. Clemson's history of losing in the big games, and I just think Dabo is a clown without the clown suit. Right now they're in a good spot though. Take care of FSU and they should be in. Lose and deal with other teams from the PAC 12, Big 12, and FSU itself for a spot.
the issue has always been, is the sec's 1 loss teams better than 2012, we didn't get to see. the sec can continue to say that a 1 loss LSU non-sec champ (if they lose to bama) is better than a 1 loss FSU acc champ (if they beat clemson).... but unless that is played on the field, LSU already had their chance... they shouldn't be there over a 1 loss conference champ. In theory, Bama, LSU, and UF can all end up with 1 loss.... there is no way I think they should get spots over teams they haven't played because the media deems the SEC as the greatest, when last November-January, the rest of the nation proved that the SEC, from top to bottom, didn't fair too well against the rest of the country head to head.
The media in this discussion is irrelevant, as we have a selection committee. I understand what you're saying but I'm more concerned with a potential 1 loss great team that didn't win their conference getting left out over a one or potentially two loss conference champ.
agree... but that 1 loss non-champ already got their shot.... .the 2 loss champ from another conference has not been allowed to show they can beat the undefeated champ of another conference. Imagine again, this scenario..... 2 loss uga vs 2 loss Olemiss in the SEC title game. In theory, LSU could have just one loss (to Ole Miss) and not be in the SEC title game. UGA could win the SEC with 2 losses, and 1 loss LSU wouldn't have even played UGA..... I can see that scenario as a way for 2 SEC teams..... but that assumes a 2 loss SEC champ can make the playoffs. Would you allow a 1 loss non-champ LSU in, but keep a 2 loss SEC champ out?
This is just my opinion, but I'm not biased towards the SEC so I'm just as inclined to leave a SEC out of the playoff as I am any other conference. Let's play with the idea that OSU, Clemson, and Baylor are all undefeated. Those three are in. Then personally I would look at all of the one loss teams, regardless on conference championships, and pick the team based on several factors but I wouldn't let that conference championship outweigh any other factor. I'd be just as inclined to take a one loss Michigan State, Iowa, TCU, Notre Dame etc. if I thought one was a better team than LSU or Georgia.
well, TCU, with one loss, is most likely the Big 12 champ.... and in. I understand what you're saying, and to a point I agree. That scenario that a 2 loss UGA is the SEC champ, and LSU is sitting with one loss.... I can't justify taking a 1 loss (they'd be 2nd place from the SEC based on record) and not the SEC champs. I just hate the idea of taking a 1 loss SEC (bama could do this), undefeated Big 10 and Big 12 (all still possible) and then taking a 1 loss LSU over a one loss ACC champ FSU or one loss pac-12 champ, Utah. Now, if its undefeated big 10, big 12, those 2 are set..... if the BSC has to decide between 1 loss ACC Champ and 1 loss Pac 12 champ and 1 loss SEC champ for the last two spots.... too bad so sad for the odd man out... even if it's my team
Last year the SEC trick was plainly obvious. Outside of the must games, Florida v. FSU, Georgia v. Gerogia Tech, Clemson v. South Carolina all games the SEC lost FYI, the SEC really played no one and its the same every year. If the SEC has a down year like it did last year there is no way of knowing because they play a (*)(*)(*)(*) non-conference schedule. For months all the talking heads yapped about how great the SEC was then come bowl season we learned it was all a sham and it was one of the worst SECs we had seen in years. Last years #1 Ranked Miss St. Non-conference schedule Southern Miss UAB South Alabama UT Martin
oh I hear ya... you're preaching to the choir with me. I'm just throwing out possible scenarios that the BSC will have to consider. a 2 loss SEC champ (UGA defeats 2 loss Ole Miss), and potentially 1 loss LSU (only loss was to Ole Miss) that didn't play UGA this season.... what does the BSC do with that. Do you put a 2 loss champ in over a 1 loss champ from any of the other power 5? Do you put a 2 loss champ and a 1 loss runner up (LSU would be SEC#2 because of record) over 2, one loss champs from any of the other power 5? Many SEC marks out there would suggest exactly that.
If either Utah or Stanford win out I dont see any way you put a 2 loss SEC team in over them. Utah has that Michigan scalp on their wall, which is worth a whole hell of a lot more than we thought when the game was played and Stanford will have ND's scalp. Thats a hell of a lot more impressive than LSU's 10 point victory over Syracuse.
it will be interesting to see if eSECpn sells FSU beating Syracuse by 10 as "FSU continues to struggle against weak ACC teams" while not mentioning LSU "struggled" against them (hopefully, FSU can win out in the ACC)
Utah is a total pretender. They don't deserve being anywhere close to the playoffs even with 1 loss. Stanford is another story. Looks like they're heading to a showdown. They should just award the Big 10 and SEC automatic invites, and let the other 3 "scrub" conferences fight it out for the other 2 spots. Before some of you jump down my throat....I am joking. On edit.....this reply was intended for Windigo, who commented on Utah and Stanford. Sorry Javis, yours was the last post.
joke noted.... but it does seem that's what eSECpn10 wants in order to prop up the ESPN sponsored Big 10 network and SEC network.
I don't see how any two loss team can be in the playoff. If so, it is just a joke. You will have to many good teams either undefeated or with only one loss. I hope you are wrong about Stanford and ND. Notre Dame has defeated some really good teams with good records...but Stanford is scary. and isn't Temple unbeaten?...as was Navy? ND might not beat Temple. The game hasn't been played yet.
