Cook did not... he ran for 200 Yards in a loss to #1 Clemson.... however.... with 2 team losses... I can't see him winning it. eSECpn has already inscribed the Heisman trophy to Fournette at this point.... they will continue to prop him up, even when completely shut down
Lots of reaction locally to the latest committee rankings. How is it that Iowa who barely beat a bad Indiana team goes to 5 ahead of Oklahoma State who beat undefeated TCU that was ranked higher than Iowa in the last ranking? The fix appears to be in for the Big Ten.
The final 4 voting this week makes little sense, although I wouldn't worry about Iowa. They've played nobody and won't even smell the top 4 from where they'll end up. I do think ND getting the nod over Okie St and Baylor isn't fair either but I saw it coming a mile away. Lots of football to be played so I think you're gonna see a lot of movement before its all over. No worries about conspiracies just yet, DOcon.
this is the issue I have... an undefeated OK State getting the shaft for a 1 loss ND that lost to a team in the playoffs already.... no, ND had their chance at that team and failed OSU has not Expand to 6 conference champs only, plus the best independant/minor conference champ out there... go. #1 and #2 seeds get first round byes
Interesting concept but I think 8 is the magic number without too much pain. The big 5 conferences all get 1 automatic invite, plus 3 at-large bids.
to do that, you have to limit each conference to just one champ going, and runner ups are eliminated. 8 spots, 5 auto bids, minor conferences and independants battle for the final 3 spots not to be given out to teams that couldn't win their conference in the power 5. I don't care that LSU may be better than Boise State.... LSU got their chance, and lost.... just like FSU has.
I'm not saying that at all. The 3 at-large wouldn't just come from minor conferences and independents. All teams other than the 5 major conf winners (who get the autos) are in the mix for the 3 at-large bids that the committee would then decide. So likely, major conference runner ups would/could still get in. It's those runner-ups, along with the minor conference teams and independents that have to impress the committee to get 1 of the remaining 3 spots. In addition, it would be just like March Madness in basketball. The committee not only picks the at-large teams but seeds all 8. So you could have all sorts of scenarios. A 2nd place major conference team, Notre Dame, and 1 minor conference winner as your 3 at-large. Or you could have all 3 at-large coming from major conferences. Etc. And with seeding, the committee could seed an at-large team ahead of a major conference winner. It'd be just like March Madness.
I don't like runner ups getting in.... if you can't win your conference, you don't deserve to be in. Think about 2012.... Bama only had to beat LSU once in two tries to win the title.... but LSU had to beat Bama twice to win the title, and they were the SEC champs.
Ohio State and Oklahoma play each other next year. Should Ohio State win that game and their conference, and Oklahoma goes on to win the rest of their games and conference, would you then leave out a conference champ with one loss because they already had a shot at someone in the playoff?
Well we'll have to agree to disagree then. I'd probably rather see a 2nd place LSU, or 2nd place Wisconsin, or 2nd place Oklahoma, than a conference winner like Cincinnati, Toledo, Boise St., San Diego St., etc. Last year for instance, there were no independents or small conference teams ranked in the top 15. In fact, I believe only 2 of the final top 25 were outside the major conferences.....Boise St. and Marshall....and they were both way down the list. I wouldn't want 8 teams, where you're dipping that low to fill the 3 at-large spots. So again last year, you basically would have gotten the 5th conference champ in.....TCU, and all 3 at-large teams would have also come from the major conferences. But on the flipside....there are seasons where a smaller conference champ would deserve to place 1 of the 3 at-large bids. That's what the committee is for....to determine the 3 at-large teams, as well as seeding all 8. But the 5 auto bids would be in....only thing to be determined is where they get seeded in the 1 through 8. Just my opinion.
the issue is... how do you know Cicinatti isn't the better than 2nd place LSU if you don't let them in? If they aren't deserving, they will be eliminated. LSU already had their chance to prove they deserved to go... and came up short... just like Bama did back in 12. The rematch always gives the advantage to the team that lost the first matchup..... LSU had to beat Bama twice in 12 to win a title Bama had to beat LSU once in 12 to win a title and yes, it's all just opinion... and I'm good with yours being different
Last year is a perfect example. As mentioned, if you only allowed in the 5 conference champs from those major conferences, you would have been left with Boise St and Marshall.....both ranked around #20ish plus a completely unranked team. Literally, 23 of the final top 25 came from the power 5 conferences. Thus, the first round would have been a farce.
I'm looking forward to the Oklahoma at Baylor game tonight. I actually picked Oklahoma as a Final 4 team before the season. They lost one early. But they have Baylor, TCU, and Okie St the next 3 weeks. If they run the table, they should be back in the conversation.
Looks like OSU, Clemson, and Alabama still in drivers seats. Notre Dame will stay 4, but after that? Iowa squeaks by Minnesota but their day of reckoning is coming. Baylor goes down....I expect Oklahoma to make a run. Okie St doesn't impress, and TCU barely beats a winless Kansas team. And Utah goes down again. LSU also lost again. It's coming together but a couple upsets the next 2 weeks and who knows?
It's like LSU wasn't really that good to begin with, isn't it. Kinda like they only got where they were in the ranks due to playing other overrated SEC teams, like AU, UF, etc. Florida is not good... FSU will beat them Clemson is the team to beat
The entire SEC is vastly overrated this year. Arkansas, a team who was beat at home by Toledo, is second in the SEC west. Let that sink in for a second!
Bama is still clearly the best the SEC.... but they aren't world beaters. A 3 loss Ole Miss beat them. I would love to see UF, after losing to FSU, beat Bama and win the SEC Championship with 2 losses. Then watch ESPN try to scramble and justify how they can put a 2 loss team in the playoffs over 1 loss teams from other conferences.
I'll admit it, even being a Buckeye fan.....right now Alabama looks to be the best team to me with my eye test. However, if OSU runs the table on Mich St, Michigan, and Iowa.....they will vault to #1. I'm still not sold on Clemson but they're in barring stubbing their toe. I have said I like Oklahoma from the beginning of the season. If they take care of Okie St and TCU and don't get in the Final 4.....that wouldn't be right. I'd take the Sooners over the Irish as the 4th team in.
only Alabama can have a "quality loss" mean more than a close victory. And that's every year. They lost to a 3 loss team (Ole miss will probably end up losing at least one more time) I still don't think OSU survives... And ND is being rewarded for not being a part of a conference. If they were in the ACC like they should be, I wouldn't think they deserve to be in the playoff spot. But they aren't currently so it is what it is. but at this point in time... it's a rematch of Clemson/ND in the first round. but hell, 9-1 Notre Dame's one loss was to #1, Bama's 1 loss was to a 3 loss team. How I think it will end up is more important than where it is today... I think it SHOULD BE 1. OSU 2. Clemson 3. Iowa 4. Oklahoma state 5. ND 6. Bama Undefeated should count for more than "quality losses" Now, how I think it will shape up in a month... 1. Clemson 2. OK State (but they better beat OU first, who would be in this conversation had it not been for a huge upset) 3. Bama 4. ND (because ND has no championship game where Bama will, that's why I give them the one loss edge even though I don't currently) I still want UF to lose to FSU, then BEAT Bama.... there is no way you put a 2 loss SEC champ in the playoffs.
They're good for a MAC school...But if the best in the MAC is beating the second best in the SEC west, it certainly says something. Toledo can't compete with a SEC in any regards in terms of recruiting, facilities, salaries etc. so when a loss such as that one occurs for Arkansas it's certainly an egg in the face.
Correct but thats a tough road for OSU. All 3 of those teams are capable of beating them. Michigan at their house. That is not a sure fire game.
I would tend to agree with you except for one thing. If all 5 run the table....Clemson, Alabama, and OSU are shoe-ins. But I think the committee gives the 4th spot to Notre Dame over Oklahoma. ND's one loss was close to Clemson. Oklahoma's one loss was to Texas, who Notre Dame destroyed. So you have a common opponent which I think the committee will cite. But there's still 3 weeks of anything can happen to screw this all up. BTW.....glad to see my thread still having traction. I originally started it, trying to get you, milo, and Docon engaged.
