Our Troops do NOT Protect Our Freedom and We Should Stop Thanking Them for Doing So

I agree.

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This only matters if you assume that US and European governments are not themselves oppressive institutions. But they are. Therefore, their enforcement arms are agents of oppression.

 

I know you would not support a mass murder type crusade. I know that the military members are not mindless drones also. I do not expect you to ask questions in combat. Combat is heated and decisions have to made quick and executed, no time to be like why, why, why, and I totally understand that. Questions should have been asked before we ever went there. An exit strategy should have been formulated before we went there. The provisions for this war and the after effects of an insurgency were not thought about. It's as if the military leaders thought we would go in there, kick some tail, the population would accept us with open arms and shout democracy from the rooftops, and every one would roast marshmallows and sing kumbayah. No, of course there would be an insurgency. Of course it would not be a go on and get out scenario. We were going to get bogged down and they should have anticipated that. You all are the ones putting your life on the line for us. In World War II, if I asked a soldier why he was fighting he would say because Hitler had to be stopped or I am doing this bc of Pearl Harbor, etc. The government was fairly transparent with who the enemy was, why they needed to be stopped, and after Pearl Harbor everyone knew who the enemy was and what had to be done. We are chasing a phantom enemy in the war on terror. When japan and germany surrendered, the war was over. The terrorists aren't gone until the government says they are. We have no way of actually knowing. And much like drug dealers, if you bust every crack dealer on the street a week later a new dealer will be in each one of their spots. We got Osama. Cool. Now a new leader, we get him, a new one, it will keep happening and happening and we are actually being counterproductive to our own defense. One we are breeding more terrorists with every civilian that dies at our hands. Two are troops are spread thin and war weary. Three we killed our economy in this war. We have real threats to this country but neither of them are Iraq or Afghanistan. And those real threats see our weakened state and they are salivating because of it. We need to right this ship quickly.

So I ask you the question what are we fighting for and why did we enter into these wars? As a military member, I hope you will be able to tell me.

Also you said you go after taliban members and that usually entails little resistance. Exactly. This was a job for the CIA and Spec Ops. The full scale invasion was pointless.

 

Let me hear of a more free place? I could argue that any government in the world is oppressive. This is where the common sense factor kicks in. There's no perfect government, no perfect balance of freedom and regulation, but the West is doing a pretty good job, better than any other time in history. Tell me who would do better with the reigns of the world in their hands?

 

Let me hear of a more free place? I could argue that any government in the world is oppressive. This is where the common sense factor kicks in. There's no perfect government, no perfect balance of freedom and regulation, but the West is doing a pretty good job, better than any other time in history. Tell me who would do better with the reigns of the world in their hands?

 

If you are a troop, enlisted or employed by the federal government, you ARE a murderer, or an accessory to murder, and most definitely a sell out.

That article is spot on. You don't protect citizens rights, liberties or freedoms, you do, however, protect the federal government, bankers, and "defense" contractors ability to continue to wage war against countries that have posed no threat to us, then enslave US citizens by sticking us with the bill and allow congress to pass laws that infringe upon citizens rights, and liberties.

What threat did Yemen pose to the USA? None. So why did we missile strike them?

What threat did Egypt pose to the USA? None. So why did we poke our nose in their business?

What threat has Iraq ever posed to the USA? None. Numerous government dooshbags have already admitted that there were no weapons of mass destruction. So why are we still there? Obama, before he was elected in 2007, promised that one of the first things he would do was to bring troops home from Iraq, that that we could, "take that to the bank". Has he done that yet 3.5 years later? Nope.

What threat did Libya pose to us? None, so why are we poking our nose in their business?

The sad fact of the matter is that troops and the fools that enlist today are naive children who have been duped by some unethical liar recruiter into believing that they are fighting for their country, when that is simply not true. You guys are doing nothing more than helping tyrants destroy the USA.

You go to other countries and many times kill innocent people who have done nothing to you. You rip apart families and bring death and destruction all so you can make some money.

Dispute the list of one through ten in the article if you think it is not truthful. You cannot. Those ten examples listed are all true. In Colorado it is illegal to collect rainwater. That is a fact.

Make no mistake about it, you do not fight so I can speak my mind, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Benjamin Franklin etc fought so that I could speak my mind. Everything that you and your idiot enlisted pawns do is helping to strip that right. And don't you forget that.

Please people, do not work for the federal government, you are only making matters worse in this nation by doing so.

 

Love the ignorance.

On that line of thought, our president is a murderer as well, along with congress.

That's like saying that because you drive, you're an accessory to vehicular manslaughter. Or because you drink, you're just as guilty as spousal abuse that may result in a drunken spouse smacking around another.

I'm no murderer sir. You, my good friend, are severly misguided, and a sheep.

 

As someone that did tours in Afghanistan and Iraq,Ive never read such a sicker thread on this forum.

 

Until you strap on those boots and do patrols in 120 F Degree heat in Fallujah wearing 90 pounds of equipment including a flack jacket and being away from your family for months and constantly under the threat of fire,please ****.

 

If you are America loving patriot and want to think me and other serviceman/woman,I say youre welcome.If youre a America-hating,terrorist sympathizing commie Lib that enjoys seeing U.S. troops killed ,I say ..

 

While it's true that the purpose of war hasn't been freedom for quite some time now, removing our armed forces will quickly remind you of why people thank veterans for efforts to preserve freedom.

 

Thank you for your service.

 

I don't even say "you're welcome". The American public already gives enough to warrant my thanks.

 

Nice to see that when the going gets tough the liberals true colors show through. The liberals have always hated the military, and will always hate the military. Once again we see the same people who spit on our troops who came home from vietnam are ready to do it again, they can only hide their disgust for our troops for so long. Its disturbing that someone can have so much hate inside their hearts.

 

Thats a top down perspective from the middle floor. You need to look up to the broader potentials which need to be countered. Iraq wasnt about Iraqi WMD, it was about Syrian and Iranian WMD. Afghanistan was about radicalisation within Pakistan having state sponsership from what was brewing in Afghanistan. To think the success of initial CIA/JSOC activities in Afghanistan after 9/11 was sustainable might be a little naive. What we have now is the real life example that the US is not trying to take over the MidEast, because it has gone in and now gone out of Iraq handing the nation back to its people as promised. Obviously Afghanistan was always going to be more difficult, everyone knew that... but now OBL has been capped I really think Pakistans instability and Iran's nuclear programs are a worry for stopping any escalation of violence. Afghanistan's reliance on illegal drug trade really puts its economic future on shaky ground looking forward, which means will continue to struggle with poverty and violence.

 

yep, he can go to Iran or Syria and try to post that crap...the operative word is 'TRY'..

 

The OP sounds like a throwback from the hippy days of Vietnam protest, that never made it past the reality that soilders are humans who sacrifice thier lives overseas for the freedoms for hippies to gather and express their views. If the original poster was not a privilaged self servining conservative he or she may be bale to go beyond itself to see the humanity of those who make the ultimate sacrifice and will work and train under extreem conditions with little to no pay for what they do.

But silverspoon chicken hawks will always be privilaged into having their way via bribes and kissing butt as well as making up BS lies and false facts.

 

As a Veteran of the U.S. Navy I find this not only some extremely absurd statement (BOLD) - but so beyond wrong that it is disgustingly inaccurate.

First - members of the U.S. Arm forces have done an amazing job here at home in the face of many natural disasters saving lives of families. My hats off to the men and women in the Coast Guard, National Guard, and all the reserve forces that work tirelessly and thanklessly to keep this nation safe and help those in need. From medicine, rescue operations, to rebuilding efforts.

It IS true and even many members will mention their political displeasure of some of our foreign conflicts. Some we can justify as to protecting our national interests as well as the people, while others we can't.

Lastly - it IS a great nation when Jesse Richard can right such a radically inaccurate article and Robodoon can post it on this form for all to read. It is the FIRST AMENDMENT that men and women have and will continue to defend.

No members of the military are ASKING for your thanks, however to refute their efforts is grossly wrong.

 

You are sadly, disgustingly, pathetically mistaken, and - in making your sad, disgusting, pathetic mistake - you completely miss what makes the men and women of our military unique:

They fight for freedom. They fight to defend our way of life.

Our way of life is - without question - under attack in this country. From within, with assistance from without. It may even be that there are members of our military who sympathize with these outside forces.

They are the minority.

Instead of turning their weaponry on the citizen who defends the Constitution, they would turn their weapons on those who would attack it.

So: any Civil War about which you would hand-wring would not be The Government vs. The People, with the Government harnessing The Military.

No.

It would be We, The People, vs. The Government which looks to subvert the Constitution. The Military would align in concert with those who either respresent Constitutionality, and those who represent something else.

And the latter would be in the sorely outnumbered minority.

 

Well, I'm conservative. But do you understand the point of the article?
Our Troops aren't fighting for we the people or our liberty. They are being used for other purposes, by powers that control our government. Namely the military industrial complex, which is under the AAE's control. The Anglo-American establishent. It is those people that our poor troops being abused and used by, for their geo poltiical wants, not we the peoples.

 

Well the troops in Afgan and Iraq are being used.

We attack Iraq based on lies, and Bush sighed the order to attack Afgan the day before 911 happened.

So what are the troops doing there?