Paddling unruly kids is good therapy

As a teen those things may work, but not for kids under the age of 10. please tell us what forms of punishment you received during those years? I can only imagine being locked in a closet or sent to "time out" which never works. You say you didn't get the belt, but what did you get? mental abuse?

Reality and history tells us that spanking was the most effective deterrent to unruly kids in schools. they worked well from the 50's clear on through to the mid 80's when the liberals invaded the schools and deemed it brutal and got it banned.

If "if's and and's" were pots and pans we'd have a cafeteria on this site.

the topic is about how spanking as good therapy for unruly kids in schools, what are you talking about?

 

I live in Australia, and most people here would never deem of physically disciplining a child with more than a light slap to a hand, and the people who'd even do that are rare. If you need to physically abuse your child to make them behave then there's either something wrong with the way you are raising them or they have a mental deficiency or disability - in which case you should see a mental health practitioner.
And people quoting the bible to justify this, please don't. We've moved on since ancient times, and anyway Jesus was a loving and progressive figure - do you really think if he was born today he'd be some conservative guy with backwards views?

 

The stupid parents are those who "paddle". And the circle commences...

 

Whenever my son did anything untoward I just explained why it was a bad idea and he didn't do it again. Once or twice he had to test it, but it didn't require any severe beatings.

If anyone else tried to "paddle" my child, I'd have taken the paddle and rammed it up his jacksy sideways. Then I've had paddled him.

In my experience as a parent, teachers are no different from any other profession. There is a large percentage who went to school, passed exams and were suddenly teachers. Never did anything else, no experience of life outside school, look down on everyone because they have the upper hand with younger children and have developed an inflated and false sense of self importance. Half of them are unbalanced and incompetent and shouldn't be allowed near adults, far less children...

 

Studies show that kids who ached for attention as kids, do the same as adults. and by all accounts, most prisoners are there because they ached for attention as kids. now they got all the atttention they can stand.

Spanked kids tend not to suffer for attention to the point of their own detriment.

Un-spanked kids tend to go out of their way for it.

Soi suffice it to say, if a stat was done on prisoners and how many got spanked as kid vs. those that didn't.

and I'm willing to put money down that the ones with the highest number are the ones who didn't get much discipline as kids. especially spanking.

 

I can see you have a closed mind on it. However, you could take the radical step of giving the child the type of constructive attention a parent is supposed to give his kid.

I.e. spend time with him, be interested in his stuff, teach him some of your stuff, listen when he talks...answer his questions, give him an opportunity to ask them, help him work things out and show him some processes for doing that by himself...

As a baby, my son used to look for me to sit with him for about 30 minutes per day, no matter what else was going on. If I put things aside and sat down and spent that little half hour playing with whichever toy was important to him at the time, or whatever he was interested in, then he was happy and I could afterward get on with housework while he played happily at my feet, knowing we had the bond and I'd be looking out for him and caring for him. If I felt I did not have that 30 minutes to spend with him, he carried on like the devil and in the end he took it and it wasn't a pleasant experience for anyone. He needed that little calm hiatus to make him feel secure and loved and cared for and to share his little stuff.

For anyone with a brain, that only has to happen once or twice before you twig that the child needs a little bonding time in order to be happy and develop his little ideas and character. As he grew, the time was used for more interacting and asking questions he'd had in his mind to ask and for learning practical things as well.

I'd put in the work every time, rather than try to beat a child into some strange kind of submission. Now the baby is 6'4 and built like a brick wall, but the line of communication built up in childhood still works and the fun is still there.

I suspect had I beaten him with a stick as a means of showing affection, he might now be beating me back and who could say he would be wrong to do that... If you did it to him as a child, how can you tell him not to do it to others as an adult. It was good enough for him and you....

 

When I was at home (bear in mind that I was sent away to boarding school when I was six) I was sent to my room for a predetermined period whenever I misbehaved. This was well before the age of 10, and guess what? It worked a treat. I was so unbelievably bored, I vowed to myself to behave in future. (Although, LOL, that resolution didn't last all that long.) Other punishments involved no pudding, no sweeties, and no ice cream, for a predetermined period of time. Sometimes Nanny would sentence me to x number of hours helping the head gardener - but I usually enjoyed mucking about in the dirt, so she soon gave that punishment away. But the crux of the matter was that I knew I had done something wrong, and was being duly punished.

What we forget when we get older, is that children have a very strongly developed sense of justice and fair play. They will accept punishment as long as it is merited and consistent. But what they will not accept is someone getting away with what they have recently been punished for.

That is a matter of opinion, but what I cannot understand is why you are questioning the way I was brought up. My parents had perfectly valid reasons for treating me as they did. Not everyone in the world is a conservative, Republican-voting, American. There are different ways of doing things all around the world, which are just as good as your traditional methods, and some are better.

The topic is a presumption that spanking is good therapy for children - it is not established beyond all reasonable doubt. I have been discussing (and questioning) that presumption with you for pages and pages, just as everyone else has. Why the question? Have you suffered a sudden memory lapse?

 

You misunderstand.

To this day, my mother is in favor of spanking children. When she would spank me, she didn't even necessarily have to hit me. There were times when she did, but in my particular case, the psychological effect of the spanking hurt much more than the physical. To the point of taking the physical away completely and the psychological part still works.

My sister was a different story. Quite honestly, after seeing her get a spanking while growing up, I was on the straight and narrow anyway.

The 2 worst ones I ever saw her get:

She told mom "no" when she was told to do the dishes. She eventually ended up doing the dishes.
She hit mom ... once.


After looking back on it, spanking me as a child for discipline made me a better person.

 

LOL You dont seem too bright. You just identified the fact that "kids HATE being embarrased over everything" then advocate paddling. Wouldn't it be better to find a more suitable form of embarrassment than physical violence, which even the most passive form of paddling is?

 

So why are we arguing? spanking/paddling works is my whole stance. everybody trying to put spanking and beatdowns in the same categories and they are not even close. it's a BIG difference between spanking a child for correction and direction vs. punching them with your fist in the face and throwing things at them. that's abuse. that's not the same as spanking and paddling.

 

paddling is one form of embarrasment. taking their iphone is nothing. they tallk back now, tell the teaacher to fk off. that's disrepect. that's paddle worthy. not call you at work and waste your time worthy. waste of tax money. teacher raise money. bring the paddle back and re-empower the teachers. bring order back to the classrooms. the goal is learning, not fashion shows and sexting on iphones. Generation Dumb is on the horizon. get ready. there are daycares in Highschools now. say what? yes! daycares.

You seem to have a disconnect between paddling vs. physical violence anyway. refer back a couple posts of mine and I explained it.

 

Yeah - ONE form, and an unethical one in my opinion.

Mate, I'm 20. I went to a working class school, then an upper class private school. You know what the best thing is to just throw the kid out of class. Paddling is a pathetic solution, which just makes them not unresponsive once they get older, but also makes the whole class hostile to the teacher not to mention sustains a culture of hitting as an acceptable form of disciplining children which I find barbaric.

They are exactly the same thing.