Palastine is NOW a Recognized State !

If you say so Jack. Beck was spot on. Keep hoping for the "Final Solution." It's just not going to happen.

 

Allow me to do something I rarely do because I never have the time. What that is to correct each and every mistake in one of your typically small replies. First I want to clear something up that you and I know is fact. Israel's right to exist is not nonsense. Israel certainly does have a right to exist according to two valid, authoritative reasons (to exist). One reason is spiritual, the other secular. Even if one or the other could be ignored, the lone tier would could easily support Israel’s right to exist. All other nations of the world only have secular ’rights’ to exist, by that I mean they have won their nation status by war (most common) or agreement next most common, or have had persistence of occupation from the date it was recognized* as a ‘nation’ until present (far less common). have I failed to mention any methods of achieving recognized ‘nationhood’ status?

Ha~ha, lol, rolf !!! Funny. Hilarious even, especially if you think there is fact in that sentence. That said maybe just maybe you may be right in teeny tiny part though. The part where you are not correct is concerns the same subject that usual suspects are academically challenged in. That subject is the lack of knowledge of basic bible. In this example you mention the rapture. Of course the word ‘rapture’ is not mentioned in the bible**. I will not elaborate, just take my word for it, or read the ** footnote. Then your logic fails you again following up the rapture meaningless statement with another more meaningless statement when you suggest you know what I think. Again I will only expand on that by saying that I do not believe Christians will escape Armageddon nor the tribulation leading up to Armageddon. Where you are a teeny tiny part right is that my interest in Israel is related to my core values as well as my paradigm (model of reality) and my belief in Yahweh pronounced ‘Yehova‘. By that I have to use an example or anagogic explanation. Where I use the Hebrew God or GID**** a secular based person would probably use ‘science’ or ‘self’ or even the state or a combination of those as an ultimate authority to validate their understanding of reality. That means if someone asks them who created the universe, probably they would say ‘the Universe was created by the big bang‘, or something like ‘we live in a metaverse thus there was no ’thing’ that created the universe.‘ If you ask them why they believe that hogwash ? They would say ‘Because science says so, and I ie my’self’ feels that is the best answer‘. Of course I or a religious person might say God created the universe he was the cause that caused the big bang to create it.

Another meaningless statement with an malicious agenda. Meaningless because I am a Christian. Meaningless you did not specify which Christian beliefs, what you think because I believe Noah built an ark Israel wouldn’t be important to me? Lol. Even if tiny Israel hadn’t often been the focus of the worlds radar off and on for five thousand years and fulfilling prophesy as she went I still would be interested in Israel. You see Mr Snake, your understanding of reality is skewered when you arbitrarily, utterly reject the power and importance of spirituality (religious belief) in world affairs. When your rebuttals statements etc are filled ‘if’s as in if Israel wasn’t Jewish if you weren’t Christian if if if…too bad the FACTS and the REALITY is that Israel is Gods peoples ie the Jews and the facts are that I am Christian and that gives the 70% voting USA Christians the power of an Army and the ability to enforce our reality upon the non-reality of secular bigots like an overcoat. Lol. But you either can not or will not accept that reality of a real Israel with a real USA supporting her. I suggest you get used to it.

See? Simple. Not a short correction and answer but an long, *cof* an unapologetically long, but accurate, fact based rebuttal and reply compared to a handful of speculative, insulting, meaningless statements masquerading as an reply.

God bless this forum~

RevA

 

You're proven wrong by the facts of the Occupation, the continued illegal squats, the illegal wall and the theft if Palestinian resources. Actually, yours appears as a comic parody of reality. Zionist ?

 

You still cannot get over the fact those (*)(*)(*)(*) Jews built a fense to protect themselves.
Your murderous lot cannot blow busses anymore.
Protected Jews, I tell you, what a notion.
Must be illegal. There must be a law prohibiting them.

Here I got it:
Natural law number 13: All Jews must be unprotected all the time.
On the other hand, why do I bother inventing. It is written in your 'holy' scriptures:

 

The wall is political, not ' defensive. Hundreds of impoverished Palestinians scale it every day in order to do their menial jobs in Israel.

http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/news/2007/09/one-thousand-tw.html

You seem to have forgotten that , whilst neoZionist bombs rained down on Gazan civilians recently, that an operative placed a WARNING charge on an Israel bus. It's fortunate that the neoZionist High Command took the warning seriously and refrained from a ground offensive against Palestinian civilians. The wall prevented this ? What a dumb notion.

 

<choc-a-bloc> You complain about insults? I've seen more insults emerge from your feeble posts than pretty much anyone else, you hypocrite!

 

Server duplicate.

 

When did they build the fense?

Is it the same as a wall, or different to a fence?

 

How stupid you you think the other readers are ?
In one post you write Israel want the Samaria and Judea, and on this port you write it built a political wall that separate Israel from those areas.

Now to the real world.
The defese fense between Israel and Judea and Samaria was build after the Palestinians have launched attacks on Israel malls, busses and holy places.
Planting bombs and killing more than a thousend civilians, kids, woman and man.

 

There are plenty of dumbkins who can't see that the illegal wall is built INSIDE Palestinian territory for the purposes of swallowing that territory on the Zionist side. The plot was to subdivide Palestinian territory until a Palestinian State was impossible. Now that nasty World Court has proclaimed it illegal and the nasty UN has recognised Palestinian title. Tough titty to Zionism, eh ?

 

Neat –
So you are a Cherry Picker of those weird & heretical Millennial Rupturist Doctrines
So as an unorthodox Christian Zionist, what is your belief regarding the final fate of the Jews
........................................................ Discounting the 144,000 that convert of coarse ?

With quack friends like the Ortho ZioChristo ducks,
who eagerly await the burning of 99.99% of the Jews in Hell upon Jeebus's cloud return
I don’t believe the Jews or the Jewish Zionists really need enemies like Jack, Moon or Me or the Snake

Of coarse - Their Christo American friends will no doubt look after them according to some
........... perverted interpretation of Escatolology, that will come into Vogue due to a number of
..........................................................................unfolding End Time Policy Problems

When it will be seen as God's Will & infinite Wisdom to Nuke-Em & thereby fulfill prophecy
............................................................................................. by giving it a little push


Hello Rev Anarchist ! -
When does that Righteous Jeebus in your Avatar turn his Glock off those silly Infidel Moslems
& start blowing away the 99% of those Damed Jews ? - Will that be before or after you have
......................Nuked all those countries who had the temerity to vote against you in the UN ?

Onward, Xtian Soldatens

[video=youtube;YYWlB64upSc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYWlB64upSc[/video]


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Yes it is

I suggest you partake of the Real World & read UN Resolution that specificly
Recognizes Palestine as a State a number of times in the Text of that Document

http://www.tikkun.org/nextgen/text-of-the-un-resolution-recognizing-palestine-nov-29-2012

To continue in Bald Denial only serves to exposes a Plain & Transparent
Willful Ignorance that happily does serious damage to your Cause

Please Continue - THANX
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You're getting a little confused here.
Israelis have their state. They have it for the last 70 years.
It is the Palestinians who are

With your vigorous help to keep them that way.

 

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Shangrila
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I don't see this as the victory that some do.

Why not? Well, if you have not understood by now that these Ashkenazi invaders never intended for anything other than the slow and systematic ethnic cleansing of a native people, and will never truly move from that position, then you are still in dream land believing you are dealing with normal people, or even normal politicians here. You ain't. It may well be Israel did well to pretend to be civilised - they ain't. We see this in their every action, their every refusal to comply with law.

It will get worse before it gets better. Lieberman and Netenyahu forming a new fascist party will be the tipping point. History will prove me close, you will see. As more fair demands are made from Israel, to comply with that which is legal and lawful, and more votes and democratic decisions go against them, this is NOT a people who are introspective, these are not (100% +1), NOT people who are ever going to take one look at that, and think 'Hmm..possibly we should change direction here'.

The opposite. When things go against them, they are so furious, that they have to announce more homes for invaders, or have broken the ceasefire 20 times already. They cannot take it. That is their true face showing through, and with a relatively minor thing.

That is when you look into the eyes, and what you see staring back, is not eyes of politicians of a reasonable land, but the eyes of the terrorist Stern Gang, Lehi, Irgun, Hagara, et all. What you see are the eyes of those spawned from the seed of that, those that were either influenced by German NS or E European communism.

Rather than skirt around for the next 45yrs, with more of the last 45yrs, a Lieberman/Benny bastard child party would be arrogant AND stupid enough to do something, from which there was no coming back from. It would be something of such epic and bad proportions that already simmering impatience that exists with 'Israel', would be NOTHING by comparison.

Even Hajo Meyer said that because of Likkudites and Zionist Jews, all Jews are going to suffer a backlash for it, and he would know.

If people like Lieberman are truly leaders, just WHERE are they leading Israel and Jews to?

 

Its obvious likud has never had any intention of peace. They lay claim to all of judea, samaria and jerusalem. period.
Its also obvious that Hamas has no intention of peace. The lay claim to all of historic palestine. period.

You can dream all you like about Israel making some humungous blunder. Given the arrogance of bibi and his gang, it wouldn't be a complete surprise, but doubtful.

I just don't see their end game tho. They want the land but they can't take the people. The demographics don't work. If they think it is somehow possible to get all the WB palestinian to "self deport" to jordan, then they're insane. If they think they can whittle away until nothing is left, it is a physically impossible strategy. They cannot load the palestinian people onto cattle cars and ship them to the "east", because they would be condemning themselves having turned into the monsters they built Israel to protect themselves against.

I just don't get it.

 

In short, Zionism is shagged. It's a failed experiment in the transfer of populations. Now then, what to do with the Zionists ?

 

Really? Israel is by far the strongest economic and military power in the region. It's a functioning democracy as opposed to that dictatorship trying to pose as a democracy in Egypt.

The Arabs have tried how many times to destroy Israel and each time they've had their butts handed to them.

Israel isn't going anywhere.

 

True, but it's going to undergo a series of irreversible changes which neoZionists aren't going to like.

 

Such as what?

 

We're talking here about Zionists who represent a minority in Israel, but a majority in the Knesset. It is that parliamentary majority who are driving Zionist expansionist ambitions.

 

That is because you are still trying to figure it out as a rational person.

Have you ever met someone with an acute mental illness? What they say and do is rational...to them. To you, and everyone outwith their bubble, it is irrational. The more you point this out to them, the more defensive and aggressive they become. That is how it basically works. The only way to understand where they are at, is to remember this, at all times.

 

Sorry, but I cannot agree, or give the people a free pass.

They tell us over and over that they are a democracy(ahem). However, if that is to be believed, then it is they (the general population), who give their full support to people like Netenyahu, and all the creeps that went before them. They are WELL aware of what it is these men will do. If they had lived under a dictatorship for 64yrs, I may have empathy. Apparently they do not - therefore they are culpable. More so than the German people were, who could at least make the arguement that they did live under a 'dictatorship'.

 

Rubbish, I disagree here without being disagreeable Jonsa...
All the above has been answered and found your way of retorting and conclusions to be based on false assumptions and flawed conjectures.
The Arabs in Israel (the majority) came from the surrounding Arab countries... they are a little less than 20% of the population and they are more vociferous than than all the Arabs who infiltrated Europe. If Israel annex Judea and Samaria (I hope they do)... the Arab's alternative would be to pledge allegiance to the Israeli flag or move... (I personally think they will not!) for the sole reason they will NEVER find a better country to live in besides Canada and the USA...
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Israeli Arabs- all 25% of the Israeli population- are Palestinians. They are the ones whom the Zionists failed to ethnically cleanse when they invaded Palestine and declared their pariah State. Israel's Palestinian population will eventually form the Israeli government, when there is One State under democracy.