Part 10 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

What on earth has the above got to do with the impossibility of 2,000,000 being supported by the desert.

 

I am only responsible for what I say, not what you understand.

 

Excellent posts!

 

Absolutely nothing...this is his typical way of dealing with things that challenge his positions. You can expect further dismissal through sideline, followed by a new and imagined gibberish to challenge....rinse and repeat.

 

There is ice core data which is extremely accurate which ice cores are shown to be hundreds of thousands of years old. The cool thing about ice core's is that the layer dating (like tree rings) matches up with the radioactive and chemical dating methods.

 

The Bible does not give a specific date as to when the Great Flood occurred. So what is this 2000-2300 BC date? You have provided no evidence in support of this claim.

Sorry but you have no scientific fact. All these civilizations you speak of had to exist after the Great Flood, and again the Bible doesn't exactly tell us when the Great Food occurred.

So if there were any civilizations let's say for example 3,000 BC, then it's obvious the Great Flood had to occur sometime maybe perhaps a thousand or so years before that date.

Some experts speculate that the Great Flood occurred approx. 5000 BC. And at 5000 BC there were no known civilizations on record.

 

]From around 8,500 - 7000 the fertile crescent was 'agriculturalised' by farmers who grew crops, farmed animals and who eventually settled into farming 'towns' - settlements.

See also Agriculture in the Indian subcontinent from a round 9,000 BCE.

So that puts Noahs flood back to ?

 

Sorry but there are no recorded history like I mentioned as far back as 5000 BC. So again any civilizations had to have started way after the flood.

Keep denying if it makes you feel better.

 

Even though as it currently stands that not everyone in the world has been made aware of our Lord Savior Jesus Christ, these people according to Scripture will be judged fairly and justly by God and so in other words some of them will be saved and others won't be saved depending on the judgment of God. (See Romans 2:12-16)

 

Yes there are .. not only in Turkey, but also granaries near the Dead Sea that are 11,000 years old. There is a civilization in Arabia called al Magar that is 9,000 years old. http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issue/201203/discovery.at.al-magar.htm

 

Eridu (present day Abu Shahrein, Iraq) was considered the first city in the world by the ancient Sumerians and, certainly, is among the most ancient of ruins. Founded in circa 5400 BCE, Eridu was thought to have been created by the gods and was home to the great water god Enki (who, later, would develop from a local god to merge with deities such as Anu and Enlil as Lord of the Universe, and was associated with Ea, god of wisdom).

http://www.ancient.eu.com/eridu/

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So becoming a Christian is irrelevant....for the unsaved have just as an equal a chance at being saved, if God so judges?

 

Where have I said that? You guys always misinterpret what you read. I was just referring to people who never heard of Jesus Christ.

You have heard of Jesus Christ, you have been made aware that in order to be saved you must first repent your sins, ask for forgiveness and accept Jesus Christ as your Lord Savior.

If you don't do those things according to Scripture after God's judgment you will not be saved.

In conclusion anyone who have been made aware of Jesus but yet reject Him they will not be saved and so being a Christian is important once you have been made aware of Jesus or heard His word.

 

So, basically Jesus wasn't necessary, then. Gotcha.

 

If people who haven't heard of Christ are judged by solely their deeds in life, then knowing about Jesus is actually a hindrance to entering heaven. Because, according to you, those who know of his existence not only are to be judged by their deeds, but also whether or not they believed him to be the Son of God. Why is the extra step necessary?

 

Correct .. there is no specific date which is why a range is given. The date of the Flood is dependent upon where you date the exodus. The range of possibilities is not more than 300 years.

It is a counting exercise from there. You should try it sometime.

If you know when Abraham lived then you know the date of the Great flood because the Bible gives a specific timeline from Noah to Abraham.

There are no "experts" claiming a flood date of 5000BC .... this is utter nonsense as it would mean that the time of Abraham was roughly 4600 BC.

There are some creationists that are trying to make a case for a 2500BC dating of Abraham (Pre Sargon of Akkad) on the basis of tablets found at Elba but these claims were later debunked and dismissed as sensationalism.

There is no Biblical Scholar in their right mind that claims a pre 4000BC dating of Abraham. This is utter nonsense and I would like to see a link.

Real Biblical scholars state that the time of Abraham was around the time of Hamurrabi give or take a few decades (say 2000-1800 BC) ...given the description of events in the Bible, names of cities, kings, prices for slaves (Joseph for example was sold for a price of 20 Shekels of silver) and so on.

It is known (because we have tablets stating prices for slaves) that a price of 20 shekels was a normal price for a slave around 1700 BC.

There was no such thing as a shekel in 4500 BC.

A dating to the Hammurabi period is what is believed by the Jews: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/abraham.html

The Jewish dating is in accordance with modern scholarship and archaeology. It does not matter if we are off by a century or two... call it 2000-1800BC.

Abram was born 292 years after the flood subsided according to the Bible which puts the Biblical date of the flood 2300-2100BC.

Even if we date Abram as far back as 2100 the date of the flood is at the earliest 2400 BC. Claims of 5000 BC are utter nonsense

 

I'm afraid you're the one in denial.

The second most important crop in Mesoamerican agriculture is the squash. Cultivated and domesticated before maize, dated to 10,000 years ago.
Mesoamerican history.



The Neolithic is not a specific chronological period, but rather a suite of behavioural and cultural characteristics, including the use of wild and domestic crops and the use of domesticated animals. Neolithic culture began in the Levant near Jericho around 9500–9000 BC, when farming communities arose and spread to Asia Minor, North Africa and North Mesopotamia (even though recent findings date the beginning of the Neolithic period to as early as 10,700 BC near Aleppo). Early Neolithic farming was limited to a narrow range of plants, both wild and domesticated, which included einkorn wheat, millet and spelt, and the keeping of dogs, sheep and goats.in Oaxaca, the people of Mesoamerica utilize several different types of squash..... http://www.ancient.eu.com/Neolithic_Period/

 

If you see so clearly, why is every post of yours clear as mud? Bad communication skills? Or clear to you is really messed up/

 

Why do people need a new covenant? We have no control over anything. Everything now and forever is already known and can NOT be changed. No need for anything new.

What does this mean?
"So the creation of the heavens and the earth and everything in them was completed. On the seventh day God had finished His work of creation, so He rested from all His work. And God blessed the seventh day and declared it holy, because it was the day when He rested from all His work of creation."---Gen. 2:1-3 NLT

Complete doesn't mean complete?
1com·plete adjective \kəm-ˈplēt\
: having all necessary parts : not lacking anything

: not limited in any way

: not requiring more work : entirely done or completed
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/complete

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=292067&p=1062382196#post1062382196

So which of your posts is the lie. You are now on record as saying God is done creating and God is still creating.
http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=335268&p=1063526438#post1063526438
And you want to tell everyone about christianity?
You don't even know what you think.

 

Don't forget the God of the NT. It is completely different from the other Gods.

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They address it as the trinity. Before there was Jesus, there was jesus.

 

Which mitt is one of those interpreters.

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Not at all.

 

How can you say that? You don't know how old the earth is based on the bible. So you can't claim it was a wrong interpretation. Unless you have some other information you haven't shared.

 

The list is BS.
As can be seen by the one answering tough questions, snobbishness and condescending are the virtues christ teaches.

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Don't forget the possibility you don't understand the bible.
But you can start with moses and back calculate. You have given us a very specific date to moses' birth and death.

 

So you consider yourself more of an expert over Robert Ballard, who just so happens to be one of the world's best-known underwater archaeologists?

Click on the link below if you dare to read about his findings and what he and other experts say about the Great Flood of Noah. Oh and next time at least do some thorough research before opening your uninformed trap...eh?...lol

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/evidence-suggests-biblical-great-flood-noahs-time-happened/story?id=17884533

 

Are you suffering from memory loss or something? I have given no such specific date as to Moses birth nor to his death. You may ask why not? Well I will tell you why not, it's because it wasn't made known/written in Scripture.

I know for a fact you got this speculation from my friend WanRen.

So you are either dishonest which wouldn't be surprising since you have already denied claiming to be a former Christian or as I pointed out earlier, you are suffering from memory loss, or maybe both...lol