Part 10 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

No God doesn't fail. That's the sinful nature of man that keeps this evil in the world. If we all are obedient and follow God's laws we wouldn't have all this miseries afflicting us in this world.

God could stop all this madness right now, but that would mean He would have to turn every single one of us into puppets by taking away our free will and so we would be forced to do His will.

I don't know about you but I wouldn't want to be a puppet. I want to be free, free to make my own decisions, free to believe and trust in God!

No God doesn't fail, He knows what He is doing, after all He is Almighty God, the Creator!

 

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Of course there were big floods in the past that formed the basis of later myths. Every culture has a flood story and there are good reasons for this.

The evidence produced by Ballard and other respected archaeologists serves to disprove the Bible account, not prove it silly.

Ballard himself says that these floods were the basis of later myths.

The question we are looking at is when the Bible dates the flood, not if there was one. As discussed previously the Bible dates the flood around 2100 to 2400 depending on when Abraham lived.

Ballard does not state that the flood covered the whole earth. He is talking about when the ocean rose and filled in the area now known as the Black sea where many people lived prior to the flooding of that region.

When the ice age ended around 12,000 BC (this is also the date Ballard gives) the ice slowly began to melt and recede. Over 1000's of years sea level rose. Many cities all over the earth that were built on the sea were flooded over the millennia as sea level rose. Some events were small but some were large, as in the case of the formation of the black sea.

This is why there are flood stories in almost every culture all over the world.

 

The story of Noah's Ark and the Great Flood is one of the most famous from the Bible, and now an acclaimed underwater archaeologist thinks he has found proof that the biblical flood was actually based on real events.

Above is the very first sentence of the link I gave you. Doesn't sound like they believe the Great Flood of Noah was a myth. Have you considered taking a class in improving your reading comprehension skills?...lol

 

But then fail to address of the issue of the Trinity being polytheistic in nature, or, the Trinity really all being a single God reducing Christianity to a paradoxical joke.

They do not transverse those minefields very well.

 

As we read in Scripture these sacrifices happened again in cultures worshipping false gods. That's the sinful nature of man back at it again.

 

It's a known fact that man will lie or try to keep things secretive, if the Egyptians have never recorded the events of the Israelites exodus, it stands to reason they were too embarrassed about it and so to save face they never wrote about it in their country's historical records.

But God let it be known to the world that the Israelites were indeed held in bondage for over 400 years as slaves in the land of Egypt as depicted in the Holy Bible.

I'd trust God any day for telling us the truth before trusting any man to tell us the truth...that's for dang sure!..lol

 

OK....let's look at aspects of your posted reply to me.

#1. NOTHING in the Bible has or had ANYTHING to do with Humanity EVOLVING to a level of Mental Intelligence capable of developing the necessary LOGIC, SCIENCE and MATHEMATICS necessary to...and I quote..." build roads, irrigation, medicine, protect life, protect earth."...end quote WanRen.

You posted....and I quote..."The Bible is the science that have taught man to use their intelligence in a positive way to build roads, irrigation, medicine, protect life, protect earth."...end quote WanRen.

Now although I am sure an argument can be made in favor of the Bible having something to do with the..."protect life"...part of your quoted statement.....as far as the Bible being the SCIENCE...as you say..." is the science that have taught man to use their intelligence in a positive way to build roads, irrigation, medicine, protect earth."....uhhhhhhhh NO!!!

There is ABSOLUTELY NOT ONE THING IN THE BIBLE THAT YOU CAN SHOW ME....AND I CHALLENGE YOU TO DO SO....THAT SHOW THE BIBLE AS BEING THE SCIENCE that has taught man to use their intelligence to build roads, irrigation, medicine, protect earth.

WHY you would even say or post this is BEYOND ME....as there is absolutely no logic to your statement.

EVEN....if we were just to look at part of your statement that say's...."The Bible is the science that have taught man to use their intelligence in a positive way".....and then you go on to say because of this we were able to to build roads, irrigation, medicine...etc.....IT STILL IS A FALSE STATEMENT.

PLEASE...show me and every one else exactly WHERE in the Bible or site some EVIDENCE that the BIBLE was the SCIENCE responsible for Man to be able to understand the science and mathematics necessary for the construction of roads, development and construction of various forms of irrigation....Mans ability to develop Medicine....and somehow develop technology to protect the Earth and the Life upon it?

The BIBLE....is simply a collection of various ancient texts which Man put together to form the Old Testament and the Roman Christian Imperial Church Biblical Cannon over many CENTURIES....picked and chose from many different existing Gospels and Books....some of which such as the Gospels of Mary...the Gospels of Judas....the Gospels of a Bunch of Other Apostles not included in the New Testaments....as these Gospels CONFLICTED with the current BIG 4 Apostles Gospels...Matty, Luke, John and that OTHER GUY! LOL!!! I thought you would appreciate that.....as the BIG 4 stated in their Gospels that Jesus was the ACTUAL SON OF GOD....and all the other Apostles and other Gospels stated that Jesus taught that by following his teachings ALL PEOPLE COULD BECOME THE SON'S AND DAUGHTER'S OF GOD!!! That is WHY the Roman Church Biblical Canon THE ENTITY THAT CREATED THE NEW TESTAMENT....only used 4 Gospels.

As well such IDIOCY as REVELATION....which was REJECTED as an entry into the New Testament several times....was finally...and begrudgingly allowed entry into the New Testament as Revelation was accepted at the Council of Carthage of 397 AD and Revelation was not added until 23 years later due to the fact MANY MEMBERS OF THE ROMAN IMPERIAL CHRISTIAN CHURCH AND THE CANON though Revelation was a Barbaric and Witless piece of Trash that had NO PLACE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT SO IT TOOK 23 years for Revelation to be finally added at the later 419 council.

NOW...as for you complete and utter IGNORANCE of what the word...APE means.....

Definition.

ape
āp/Submit
noun
1.
a large primate that lacks a tail, including the gorilla, chimpanzees, orangutan, gibbons and HUMANS!!!!!!!

APE

Apes are Old World anthropoid mammals, more specifically a clade of tailless catarrhine primates, belonging to the biological superfamily Hominoidea. The apes are native to Africa and South-east Asia. Apes are the largest primates and the orangutan, an ape, is the largest living arboreal animal. Hominoids (except for humans) are traditionally forest dwellers, although chimpanzees may range into savanna, and the extinct australopithecines were likely also savanna inhabitants, inferred from their morphology. Humans inhabit almost every terrestrial habitat.


Hominoidea contains two families of living (extant) species:
Hylobatidae consists of four genera and sixteen species of gibbon, including the lar gibbon and the siamang. They are commonly referred to as lesser apes.
Hominidae consists of orangutans, gorillas, chimpanzees, bonobos and HUMANS.[1][2] Alternatively, the hominidae family are collectively described as the great apes.

LINK....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape

Thus not only are ALL HUMANS APES....but Humans are specifically....Hominidae...or one of several members of the GREAT APES.

Now I have told you this and many other people have told you this and as well we all have provided the links and even the definitions detailing EXACTLY what the word APE means and what species are APES...as Human's are in FACT APES and a member of the Hominidae Family or Great Ape Family.

For some BIZARRE reason you REFUSE to accept this FACT AND REALITY!!!

Saying a Human is an Ape is very much like saying a Human is a Primate.

Now...this statement of yours..."Global Climate Change that is now consider the modern Noah's flood warning the same warning that saw men refused to heed because of their apeness."...end quote WanRen....is at so an ignorant and uninformed and uneducated level that I CAN'T even comment upon it as to do so would probably result in this post of mine being deleted by a MOD.

WanRen....I really do not enjoy telling another member they are posting an uninformed, ignorant, uneducated statement as to tell a person such a thing is rude and I really neither like rudeness or being rude but in this case I feel I OWE IT TO YOU to point this out as it is ONE THING for a person to have Religion and Faith and there is nothing wrong with that and I will protect the rights of a person to believe as they wish....BUT IT IS ANOTHER THING....for a member TO PURPOSELY ignore and refuse to accept facts and realities.

To do this not only is not good for the member doing it but is not good for the membership, the Mods or the HEALTH of this Forum in General.

Because we here can either chose to enjoy one another and debate and discuss in a rational, educated and beneficial manner where ANYONE of any belief and any race, religion or nationality can debate another member and although they might not agree or have the same ideologies they can AT THE VERY LEAST RESPECT ONE ANOTHER!!!

It is VERY HARD for any member to form such bonds of respect when another member REFUSED TO ACCEPT certain realities and documented facts.

When this happens such a debate on a forum such as this sinks to a Mob Rules Mentality and is no better than a SHOUTING MATCH!!

AboveAlpha

 

So what are God's laws? Describe them to me.

 

I have a real problem with his statement as it reminds me when Pat Robertson stated on National TV that the reason why U.S. Soldiers were dying from IED's or Roadside Bombs in Iraq and Afghanistan was because GOD was PUNISHING the United States and it's people because of such things as Massachusetts allowing Gay Marriage and how the Federal Government allowed Legal Abortion.

I was not at home at the time that IDIOT Pat Robertson said that and it sort of filtered down to all of us in both the Cold and Rocky and the Hot and Sandy.

I remember how some guy's who had lost buddies or had members of their unit lose limbs from such IED's when they heard about this how they were PLANNING to all get together when they got home and were going to set up a plan to break into the 700 Club's Studio during taping of a Pat Robertson Moment of stupidity and at GUN POINT hold this guy down on camera and PHYSICALLY MAKE HIM EAT THE PICTURES OF EVERY PERSON WHO EITHER LOST A LIMB OR WAS KILLED BY A ROAD SIDE BOMB!!!

They were DEAD SERIOUS....and I am not talking about just a bunch of guy's or even just 50 guy's....I AM TALKING ABOUT A WHOLE DIVISION OF GUY'S!!!

Even the Female Soldiers were in on this!

Now...nothing ever happened as cooler heads prevailed but I can say with 100% Certainty if by some chance Pat Robertson has showed up....they would have first forced him to eat all those pictures and then they would have Fragged his ass!!

AboveAlpha

 

Your funny. Right in the article the author states that the last ice age ended some 12,000 years ago which flies in the face of creationism.

The author does not say that the flood covered the whole earth as the Bible states nor does Ballard believe such nonsense.

The author is saying that the myth is based in fact, as many myths are. He is saying that there is some truth to the Biblical account .. namely, that there was a flood.

Genesis borrowed from many stories from the past. Mostly from the Sumerian myths which also have a flood story.

By your logic the finding that there was flooding that happened in the past, means that the Sumerian myths are true as well.

Here is what Ballard says:

150,000 km is not the whole earth. Mankind was not wiped out. Ballard says that stories of floods passed down from generation to generation and eventually the flood story inspired the Noah story = the nonsense about Noah was created after the fact.

Reading comprehension indeed.

 

The statement wasn't really intended for you since you don't seem to have this ignorant world view. Basically my questions never get answered on these threads.

You don't have to convince me about Pat Robertson. My general hypothesis is that the televangelists (that basically reached their heights in the 70's and 80's) have been entrenched in conservative politics and have completely corrupted it. They peddle apocalyptic scenarios, and demon infestations, spiritual wars and the result can be as evil as people killing their own children because they think they are possessed by demons. http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/21/justice/maryland-exorcism-deaths/. And then these apocalyptic smut peddlers will rationalize God's plan from it, get rich off of unethical marketing, and move on to their next target...and the Congress protects them and they are still on my TV six days a week.

But the most abhorrent thing is people actually believe this garbage. John Haggie's going to earn a couple of million dollars this year because he's peddling a book on the Blood Moons. It's the same superstition type of thinking that makes people believe in 9/11 conspiracies, alien abductions, reptilian overlords, Bigfoot, and Illuminati secret societies.

Honestly, it's (*)(*)(*)(*)ing embarrassing. We have the entirety of knowledge of human history at our fingertips and people don't even know how to use it because of garbage like Pat Robertson.

I think we just both vented.

 

Well we can start by showing some brotherly love for one another. There is too much hate in this world.

Our Lord Savior Jesus said, "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."---John 13:34-35 NASB

I gave you a head start, I'm sure you can figure out the rest my brother! Peace be with you!

 

Oh...I wasn't directing my post at you....I just posted because you happened to have quoted that idiocy from the other guy.

Your right...people are CRAZY!!! LOL!!!

My own personal favorite idiocy was the INTELLIGENT DESIGN BOOKS....created for teaching kids in school as such books were neither intelligent nor was their any design. LOL!!

The WORSE thing about those books was their name as it TRICKED some people into thinking there was science backing such books but as we all know there was not!

I was happy to see all Christian, other Private and Public School Systems make certain such books were BANNED from being used in any classroom.

AboveAlpha

 

You're hilarious yourself with those denials. Notice I cut them all out...lol

 

He was clearly talking to only the disciples. And then they didn't even listen, since Peter and Paul had very different views on what should be taught. Paul won by the way, and he never even met Jesus.

 

Disciples are anyone who follow Jesus. When Jesus spoke to His disciples, He was also speaking to everyone. His words are for all of us.

Just because you believe His disciples didn't listen it doesn't mean we should just abandon His words that are in essence universal.

Actually Paul did meet Jesus, but of course it was for a brief moment, which transformed Paul's life. Remember at first Paul was persecuting the Christians. After his encounter with Jesus, he became an Apostle of Christ, spreading the Gospel to the gentile world.

 

One of the main issues of the Gospels in the New Testament is not the message but rather whether or not what is currently in those Gospels being either the actual words spoken by Jesus or even if they are the actual accounts of the Apostles.

As all existing Gospel texts are NOT the original texts written by the hands of the actual Apostles as these texts were written by various Christian's and Members of the Faith who had to hide from Roman persecution for 100's of years and as the Church knows these Gospels are copies of copies of copies and some were destroyed completely only to be re-written by Christian's in hiding by memory.

Now as I stated only the message is important and given this reality that such Gospels and Books are many generations of copied recreations of the originals...as none of the originals even exist....arguing over individual words of various Gospels and books of the New Testament seems foolish.

AboveAlpha

 

LOL...Intelligent Design. When an Intelligent Design scientist shows the world an experiment that tests and proves the hypothesis of Intelligent Design then maybe we will stop calling it recycled Creationism.

Just ONE study, Intelligent Design movement. Just ONE experiment. Where is the science...the experiment, the observational analysis?

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What do you mean by follow? He's dead.

 

Well to non-believers He is dead, but to us believers He is alive. I know you don't believe the resurrection but nearly 3 billion practicing Christians believe it. Peace be with you brother!

 

But that is what you posted. I see you are flat out dodging now.

 

Was he resurrected and then shortly thereafter went to heaven?

Are you in heaven right now? How do you know he is in heaven? You know nothing about what is in heaven so therefore can't informatively tell anyone else who is there and who is not. Oh, and an argument from popularity is not knowledge..."nearly 3 billion practicing Christians believe it." silly logical fallacies. As-salamu alaykum, my Brother!

How come Evolution topics are in the Religion section and not the Science section?

 

"They all chickened out, proving that there were never any miracles at all"

You speak as though you were there to witness all of this. Sorry but you are just spewing unverifiable opinions that are in essence invalid. The people closest to Jesus which were His disciples are the ones we need to focus on.

Several of them wrote their accounts as first-hand witnesses depicting the life, teachings from His ministry, the miracles He performed, the death from crucifixion and the resurrection of our Lord Savior Jesus Christ in their Gospels written in the New Testament.

These disciples of Jesus were the ones who Jesus commanded to spread The Good News after He reappeared to them following His resurrection. After they saw their Master return to life from the dead, they weren't afraid of death anymore and so they gladly went on to spread the Good News.

Most of them suffered horrific deaths themselves by crucifixion as their Master had suffered spreading the Good News. And so based on this we can believe that Jesus Christ is indeed our Lord Savior God!

 

But as I pointed out on a previous post....here is the problem.

You posted..."Several of them wrote their accounts as first-hand witnesses depicting the life, teachings from His ministry, the miracles He performed, the death from crucifixion and the resurrection of our Lord Savior Jesus Christ in their Gospels written in the New Testament."...end quote Mitt.

Now this would be all good and fine...EXCEPT....all current Gospels that were specifically selected to be a part of the Roman Christian Biblical Canon created New Testament....as THEY...the Canon created the New Testament....as they were the one's who selected which Gospels and which Books would be added to create the New Testament and this was neither done all at once and some Gospels were outright rejected as there are MANY GOSPELS that exist not just the one's the MEN who comprised the Biblical Canon as such MEN picked and chose what would become the New Testament and what would NOT be a part of the New Testament.

This is EXTREMELY ARBITRARY as many Gospels and Books were at one time selected then rejected the selected and rejected again....so if one Man instead of another Man had been a member of the Biblical Canon the current New Testament would be VERY different than it exists today.

Another point of issue is that we cannot be even 50% certain that the Gospel Text was what the ORIGINAL APOSTLES actually documented as we do NOT have one single original Gospel existing as these are copies of copies of copies of copies and there is CERTAIN to be changes and errors as many of these Gospels were destroyed by Roman Troops and then recreated and written down FROM MEMORY by other Christians.

AboveAlpha

 

So the SAFEST thing to do....is NEVER to hear of Jesus, right? I mean, if you hear of him and reject him, you go to hell even if you are a good and decent person.

But if you NEVER hear of Jesus.....you get a Free Pass into Heaven.