Part 11 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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  1. Mitt Ryan

    Mitt Ryan Well-Known Member

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    Not true in the Christian religion, it is just your false opinion based on ignorance of the church.

    Not entirely true in the Christian religion. Rather than focusing on what ministries women are restricted from, the focus should be on the multitude of ways God calls and gifts women to serve. Women are nowhere restricted from proclaiming the gospel to the lost (1 Peter 3:15).

    Women are encouraged to teach other women. We read in Scripture, "Tell the older women to behave as those who love the Lord should. They must not gossip about others or be slaves of wine. They must teach what is proper, so the younger women will be loving wives and mothers. Each of the younger women must be sensible and kind, as well as a good homemaker, who puts her own husband first. Then no one can say insulting things about God’s message."---Titus 2:3-5 CEV

    Women are nowhere restricted from teaching children. Women seem to excel, far beyond men, in some of the spiritual gifts and fruit of the Spirit (1 Corinthians 12; Galatians 5:22-23). Women being restricted from spiritual teaching authority over men is not a punishment. Rather, it is a refocusing to the ministries, skills, and gifts God with which blesses women.

    The order of creation and the nature of the fall impacts spiritual leadership in the church, and in the family.

    We read in Scripture, "A wife should put her husband first, as she does the Lord. A husband is the head of his wife, as Christ is the head and the Savior of the church, which is his own body. Wives should always put their husbands first, as the church puts Christ first.

    A husband should love his wife as much as Christ loved the church and gave his life for it. He made the church holy by the power of his word, and he made it pure by washing it with water. Christ did this, so that he would have a glorious and holy church, without faults or spots or wrinkles or any other flaws.

    In the same way, a husband should love his wife as much as he loves himself. A husband who loves his wife shows that he loves himself. None of us hate our own bodies. We provide for them and take good care of them, just as Christ does for the church, because we are each part of his body. As the Scriptures say, “A man leaves his father and mother to get married, and he becomes like one person with his wife.” This is a great mystery, but I understand it to mean Christ and his church. So each husband should love his wife as much as he loves himself, and each wife should respect her husband."---Ephesians 5:22-33 CEV

    Women are not to teach or have spiritual authority over men because women were created to be "helpers" to men and because Eve was deceived into sin. Through creation, and because of the Fall, God has chosen to give men the primary teaching authority in the church.
     
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    So far you have not posted any concrete facts only self contradictions after self contradictions that is why I am here to help you.
     
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    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    Nope God does not know who will be save humans decide their own fate through God's given gift of free will.

    Predestination created and develop by men.
     
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    Ohhh....this statement of yours takes the cake!!!

    Of all the members on this forum you are the one who consistently ignores posted facts of other members.

    I just provided detailed information and data and even maps showing that even if all the water ice on Planet Earth melted we would only have a 200 foot plus rise in sea level....no where even close to the 5.5 MILES of sea level rise necessary to completely cover Earth.

    Why not discuss THAT?

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    Well said, I hope AboveAlpha understood what you are saying and recognize the fact that humans are not apes but most of all the ape theory is just a THEORY not FACT as he wanted it to be and that he recognize the racist history behind the ape-human evolutionary theory.
     
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    Oh...for crying out loud!!!

    Everyone here realizes that you have not provided one LINK to one bit of contradictory evidence.

    You said....Monkeys are APES....FALSE.

    You said....Humans are not APES....False.

    You said....Global Warming would melt all of Earth's Ice thus this supports a World Wide Flood that would cover al land masses.....FALSE.

    In fact....I am having a had time remembering if you have stated ANYTHING that is a fact...and I have a good memory.

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    no dear, predestination is the purview of your god. ergo No.Free.Will.
     
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    WanRen....I will throw you a bone.

    Please provide a link to detail....what you posted...." the racist history behind the ape-human evolutionary theory>"...end quote WanRen.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    What a heaping load.....free will exists.
     
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    I have taken a bit of time and found that on EVERY OCCASION where another member challenged WanRen to provide a LINK to a source to back up or prove WanRen's own claims....WanRen....declined to do so.

    EVERY SINGLE TIME!!!!

    And instead of providing a link to a source to prove his own ridiculous assertions....as since WanRen was posting false information such a link to a source did not exist....his technique has been to change the subject usually by challenging another member to provide proof to something which either the other member has in fact done or in many cases Wan Ren will ask for a member to provide a link to a challenge that has no logic such as the ridiculous challenge of Prove Human's evolved from Apes....as Human's ARE APES...such a challenge makes no sense.

    But....check it out...he NEVER backs up his statements.

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    not for you it doesn't. your god is omniscient and omnipotent. if you don't want to take our word for it (and why would you, you being you), check out the actual meaning of omniscient. it means everything IS ALREADY KNOWN, forever and ever, amen.
     
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    You do wonder how they feel, sometimes. It must be pretty ordinary to be on the back foot every time you enter this place. And the constant reminders that atheism doesn't turn people into horned baby eating beasts must play havoc with the programming. Occasionally I worry that such inner conflict might lead to some sort of meltdown. It's a reminder of just how outstandingly irresponsible their indoctrinators were. It's a bit like giving someone a life support device but not telling them how it works. The first sign of trouble and they're GONE.
     
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    Yup!

    You are right Crank.

    Here is the thing....we know from looking at Nature and Chaos Theory that NOTHING IS TRULY RANDOM.

    You know how most lottery games draw 6 or 7 numbers and have Ping Pong Balls numbered 0 to 49....and they have 7 clear boxes where air bounces those balls around and when a valve is opened one Ping Pong Ball is shot up by air pressure to the end of the tube and they do this for all 6 or 7 boxes and get 6 or 7 supposedly random numbers...or so they think they are random.

    Fact is if you were to keep drawing numbers in 6 or 7 numbered balled sets and do this several Million Times...A PATTERN WOULD EMERGE.

    And that pattern would describe the conditions of everything from the individual air pumps power to imperfections in the balls to the geometry of the boxes.

    Same thing with the ILLUSION OF FREE WILL.

    Now as we know it a persons Genetics, Learned Experiences upbringing and Physical conditioning...say good or bad nutrician...disease or not...etc....will determine how a person will act, think and make decisions.

    If you add a GOD into the mix and such a GOD supposedly creates man and thus such a GOD is responsible for any specific individual person having the Genetic Code that makes such a person a Psychopath or a Suicidal Manic Depressive....add to that conditions and upbringing and experiences...as some here will claim....it is all part of GOD'S PLAN.....FREE WILL IS EVEN MORE SO AN ILLUSION....and such a GOD would be responsible for MASS MURDER O A GLOBAL SCALE.

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    You know....I don't understand why WanRen and others like him feel the FACTS are so THREATENING to them or Christianity in General.

    When I post....I am not posting with some intention of attempting to force any person of Religion and Faith to stop having Faith.

    I post FACTS....and I always back those facts up.

    Every Christian Sect Leadership and ESPECIALLY the Roman Catholics as it was John Paul II who was SMART ENOUGH to get ahead of the curve and told the entire Roman Catholic Population on Planet Earth that the Church Science Division after exhaustively investigation Evolution had come to the conclusion that EVOLUTION WAS A FACT....as well John Paul II also stated that it was highly Probable due to the enormous nature of the known Universe that there were many other forms of Intelligent Life besides Human's spread through out the Universe and that the Universe was most likely TEAMING WITH LIFE.

    All other Christian Leader's of all other various sects soon followed Pope John Paul II statement with statements of their own mirroring the Popes.

    Also currently ALL CHRISTIAN SECTS TEACH that the stories in the Old Testament such as the Adam and Eve story, Noah, Genesis' 6 day creation of the Universe...etc....SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN AS LITERAL FACTS BY CHRISTIAN'S but rather Christian's should understand that such stories written by Ancient Man taught LESSONS that all had important meanings.

    For any member such as WanRen to attempt to argue that in the past an actual WORLD WIDE FLOOD capable of completely covering all land masses as well as the whole Noah's Arc story....as being an actual fact....well...EVEN ALL THE LEADERSHIP OF EVERY CHRISTIAN SECT ADMITS SUCH A THING WAS IMPOSSIBLE.

    I think a person having FAITH in certain IDEALS and to be able to live by such ideals is a good thing....but the FACTS are simply the FACTS....and in no way should such realities be a threat to a PERSON OF FAITH.

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    You post bs...not facts.

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    Quote where the Bible uses the term "omniscient".....
     
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    Smoke and mirrors. This isn't facts. Try again.
     
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    indeed! probably why I'm down with the RC's. as I often say, they'll be the last 'man' standing when most of the faithers have died out. they know the importance of moving with the world, instead of against it. if god can't keep up with his own plaything, what (*)(*)(*)(*)ing good is he?
     
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    your goatherds didn't go in for big words, but there are ample references to god's all knowing, all seeing, for all eternity, know-how. furthermore, ever single xian I've personally asked "is your god omniscient?" have answered with a categorical YES. that includes several pastors, one theologian, and a handful of garden variety lay protestants. I'll admit that I haven't asked a catholic, but I suspect they might be less inclined to be categorical.
     
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    It doesn't matter who you have asked if you can't show where the Bible says it then you are full of crap. Also you are assuming that if God is omniscient as you say this makes free will impossible.....that is false.
     
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    Smoke and Mirrors?

    So...now you are saying that CHAOS THEORY....which has been REASONABLY PROVEN TO THE POINT IT CAN BE CALLED FACT.....is Smoke and Mirrors?

    Do yourself a FAVOR....try to argue points where you have at the very least some ability to produce even a LINE OF COHERENT THOUGHT!!!

    If you disagree with something I post FINE....but provide a REASON and provide some LOGIC to why you think what I am posting is either wrong or does not apply.

    Just saying...something is B.S. or Smoke and Mirrors WITHOUT posting WHY such a members post is this....makes you look like a child who is told the sky looks BLUE because of the amount of Oxygen in our Atmosphere and the child keeps over and over saying....CUZ WHY?

    Or like a child who keeps saying...NO IT IS...EEENT!!!

    Give us all a break and grow up!

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    so all those christians are wrong, then? they all told me the bible is VERY clear about god's omniscience. since that's established by almost every christian but you, let's work from there shall we. what does omniscient mean, in practical terms? when you've done that bit of research, please explain how it DOESN'T obviate free will.

    in case you're too lazy (or too frightened) to look it up: if everything anyone will ever do or think is known, you are merely following a known path. any 'change of mind' is simply the APPEARANCE of free will, since it was already known that you would change your mind. if you can argue your way out of that, I take my hat off to you.
     
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    Reasonably proven.....hahaha! Do you enjoy looking foolish?
     
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