Part 11 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

So if these fundamentalist are puppets then clearly they must be using their brains at all times since God is stringing them along to always do the right thing...lol

 

I didn't say anything. The Church did.

Quote No matter how much true literary and scientific values a book can possess

 

Glaring contradictions and contradictory messages.

Same God who some authors claim to be "loving and merciful" ....ordered the slaughter of children and babies.

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Paul told women to remain silent in church....show me where he said "Oh, and men too."

You don't just get to "add things" to the Bible that don't exist to try to refute the quite obvious fact that Paul wanted women to have a lesser role in church.

 

See? The Catholic Church was banning only "evil" books....but it LOVES learning....as long as you only learn what it wants you to learn.

BTW, "Les Miserables" was on the list until 1959.

Good thing the Church dropped the List...or Wolverine, Catwoman, and Maximus would have kicked their ass.

 

I believe you are misquoting that phrase "No matter how much true literary and scientific values a book can possess"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_Librorum_Prohibitorum
Librorum Prohibitorum was a list of publications prohibited by the Catholic Church. The avowed aim of the list was to protect the faith and morals of the faithful by preventing the reading of immoral books or works containing theological errors. Catholic canon law still recommends that works concerning sacred Scripture, theology, canon law, church history, and any writings which specially concern religion or good morals, be submitted to the judgment of the local Ordinary. The local Ordinary consults someone whom he considers competent to give a judgment and, if that person gives the nihil obstat ("nothing forbids") the local Ordinary grants the imprimatur ("let it be printed").[9] Members of religious institutes require the imprimi potest (it can be printed) of their major superior to publish books on matters of religion or morals.

Some of the scientific theories in works that were on early editions of the Index have long been routinely taught at Catholic universities worldwide; for example in 1758 the general prohibition of books advocating heliocentrism from the Index was finally removed, but already in 1742 two Franciscan mathematicians had published an edition of Isaac Newton's Principia Mathematica (1687) with commentaries and a preface stating that the work assumed heliocentrism and could not be explained without it. The burning at the stake of Giordano Bruno, whose entire works were placed on the Index on 8 February 1600, was because of teaching the heresy of pantheism, not for heliocentrism or other scientific views. Antonio Rosmini-Serbati, one of whose works was on the Index, was beatified in 2007.[17] In 2002, a retired Roman Catholic bishop gave his personal approval to the writings of Maria Valtorta, which had been placed on the Index in 1960[18] (though never in a printed edition, since the last such edition was published in 194 and which have still not been given official Church approval. The developments since the abolition of the Index signify "the loss of relevance of the Index in the 21st century

 

No contradiction, those who were slay were wicked and evil God did not say "go and slay all innocent" maybe if you can provide some Biblical gospels that can support your claim? I don't like to use the word lie but it would help if you provide supporting passages.

Paul was first addressing the men then the women you should read the whole Gospel and not just cherry pick if you really are interested in the whole story. Paul was addressing the people and he was telling them to in your words SHUT UP if they do not know what they are talking about specially in regards to interpreting and understanding the Bible and that they should consult someone who is knowledgeable.

Corinthians 14: 37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

1 Corinthians 14: 28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.

30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.

31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.

32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Notice Paul call men IGNORANT! And both men and women are to keep SILENCE! if they do not know or understand and let those who know speak.

The difference between the church and your understanding of Librorum Prohibitorum is that the church can tell the difference between comic books, religious, philosophical, playboy and scientific books.
If you go to a public library never mind a Catholic library since you do not respect the CC church anyway so just go to a public secular library you will notice how librarians very well organize books according to their type comics go to one section, fiction, love story, science, epic, religious, warfare, history etc. all in their respective sections.

 

The Trinity has always been referred and mention the church only define it not invented it that phrase "Father why have you forsaken me" is one clear indication of the Trinity. Just like science is full of mystery so is God. Why did Jesus said "Father why have you forsaken me?" and again this is why the Bible require careful and deep thoughts to understand its contents and meaning and IMO when Jesus said "why have you forsaken me" the pain and agony that Jesus went through was unbearable and Jesus was addressing the ability to take all those physical tortures as a man he must endure and his expression of pain is what he was talking about but in the end Jesus said "thy will be done"

Jesus was speaking to God the Father
God did not become human as God but as human as Jesus Christ. Jesus is the Son of God
No Jesus did not forgot who he was he was just in terrible pain and in his pain he stayed focus on his mission and also remember his mother Mary "behold your mother"

No we don't have to feel sorry for God but feel love and total respect for God love us so much that He was willing to become human to live with us, dine with us, and suffer die for us. God felt pain because He did not use His Godliness to cheat as a human being he went through everything like a human.

God does not want us to feel sorry for Him in fact God feel sorry for us sinners.

Paul was addressing a crowd that included men and women.

Corinthians 14: 37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

1 Corinthians 14: 28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.

30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.

31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.

32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Notice Paul call men IGNORANT! And both men and women are to keep SILENCE! if they do not know or understand and let those who know speak.

 

Uh, no, that's your job to provide factual evidence that such an event happened.

 

Strange. I was actually quoting word for word from the translation of Preface of Index Librorum Prohibitorum 1940.

 

Work it out for yourself. 660,000 men on foot. Men in the OT are usually counted as those able to carry arms. In those days that would mean around 16. If you count official manhood, that was 13.
Given that we know men and women married early we should be able to accept that many of those 660,000 men were married. We also know that they had large families because of baby mortality and also needed large families to keep the family line going. So if the Bible is reliable that is not so much of a guess. That of course does not include those who managed to make it to old age.

 

They were wicked and evil because they were born to parents who worshipped other gods?

That may be what it was saying for men, but that certainly wasn't what he was saying for women. Paul declares that it is "disgraceful" for a woman to speak in church, at all.

"A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet."[1 Tim. 2:11-12]

That is just plain ol' sexism.

 

1. Are all babies Wicked? Jesus certainly didn't think so. So why should God think so.
2. There was no Bible in Pauls time.
3. As I have pointed out in a later posting, the church can also bann books which have literary and scientific value if it opposes religion and good custom.

 

It would be pretty hypocritical if you did.

 

So where is the actual quote and link?

 

No, they were wicked and evil in their own accord because they were committing pure wickedness and evil that draft what ever Hitler, Stalin, Mao or Taliban by 10x maybe more wicked then them. And the only good people was Noah and his family.

That is exactly what that gospel is saying 1 Corinthian 37 that anyone who has no proper knowledge should shut up and let the ones with knowledge speak and let everyone listen and learn.
It is disrespectful for anyone men or women to act improperly.

8 Therefore I want the men everywhere to pray, lifting up holy hands without anger or disputing.
15 But women[c] will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.

Ephesians 5:
25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her
26 to make her holy, cleansing[a] her by the washing with water through the word,
27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.
28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself

Men and women have their respective duties and obligations men can not be women and women can not be men.

It is only sexism to those who wanted it to be that is why Paul was very clear husbands love your wife and wife love your husband.
A woman should lean not ban from learning.

 

Yes it would be very hypocritical if you continue to claim what you can not support.

 

Nope. God did not think so in fact God gave Noah the opportunity to find 10 good people.

No official compiled Bible yet only Holy Manuscript and the words of Paul will be written down and become part of the Holy Bible.

The church only ban books that are not in conformity with facts and reality just like any secular government can ban any books of such nature such as Hitler's "Mein Kampf"

 

http://www.beaconforfreedom.org/liste.html?tid=415&art_id=556

 

1. Why did God order the death of nations including babies.
2. Nothing was written down so there was nothing for anyone to read and understand or not understand.
3.Rubbish. See the site I have given you.

 

Sorry but that's not my job at all. I believe that event has happened, I have faith that it happened. I trust and have faith in God.

I guess you have falsely believed that I'm here to prove everything in the Bible to you, what gave you that notion?

I can prove to you that I have never made a statement such as, 'I'm here to prove everything in the Bible to you."

Your job is to go through all 11 threads of mine and you will not see such a statement and so that would be my proof.

Just take your time, there is no rush.

 

What?...work out another guesstimate?...lol One correction, it was 600,000 men and not 660,000 and that was no guesstimation for it was written in Scripture.

What?...official manhood at 13? Well, hey that's your opinion, not a very good opinion in my opinion...lol

So go back and redo your guesstimation.

 

You are certainly correct. But I can support it. As many others have also noted.

 

OK

In the first place, when Israel left Egypt they had 603,550 armed men for war if all of those men were living at the time (Numbers 1:46). This number included all able bodied men from the age of twenty (Numbers 1:45) to the age of retirement at year fifty (Numbers 4:3;John 8:57) or sometimes sixty (Leviticus 27:7). But if all the women, children and older people over fifty (or sixty) are included, the number of Israelites who left Egypt must have numbered about two and a half million. This is a vast amount of people going into a desolate desert area east of Egypt.

I've been generous and underestimated. Lol

Judaism

In the Jewish faith, boys reach religious maturity at the age of thirteen and become a bar mitzvah ("bar mitzvah" means "son of the commandment"). Girls mature earlier, and become a bat mitzvah ("bat mitvzah" means "daughter of the commandment) at twelve. The new men and women are looked upon as adults and are expected to uphold the Jewish commandments and laws. Also, in religious court they are adults and can marry with their new title of an adult.

This applied more so in ancient times when it was important for the youth to support the family. Girls helping mothers, boys helping fathers.
This actually prepared them for early marriage for the girl would learn from her mother a wife's duties and the son from the father how to support a wife. There was little time for childhood in ancient times.

OK? Lol

 

Oh, so you're here to just make claims and then never back them up? What a great series of threads, then. Basically just touting your opinion and beliefs, but either too afraid or too lazy to actually justify them.

 

I believe you really meant to say, "Almost any scholar you would find would argue that the Biblical narrative of the Exodus was made up." and not that they dismiss it being made up...right?

I assume that is what you meant and so I say let's not distort the truth now, you make it sound like it's the majority, when it's the radical ones and so a more truthful statement would be, some scholars have begun to argue that the Exodus as described in the Bible never actually occurred.

And it's not because they have actual concrete evidence but rather there is a lack of any actual concrete evidence but let's point out that the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.