Part 14 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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  1. anomaly

    anomaly Active Member

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    I seem to recall that one of gods commandments to the first man was to be fruitful and multiply. According to the story told in the new testament jesus didn't do this. Are you saying it was OK for jesus not to do what his daddy required of every other man? Or did he sin by not following his daddies rules?
     
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    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    There is nothing to for me to lie about Genesis 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
    And your continue defense for the wicked and evil is the reason why Christians are needed in this world it is really good to be on the side of God because we don't have to lie on the other hand you being on the side of Satan must always come up with all kinds of distortions and lie including cannibalism is not practice in the ancient world and is not evil.
     
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    Well if you consider this gospel to be Satan stuff then hey why are you afraid? Matthew 4: 8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 9 “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”

    10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’


    That is why we Christians have to invoked God to counter your satanism
    "Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’

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    Is that all you have to say?
     
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    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    Jesus, a Jew, would have known that 'satan' - the adversary - had no power to give him the earth. The adversary was God's messenger and did Gods bidding. This is christianity's interpretation of a supposed event which was witnessed by no-one, so how do we know it happened and what was said.
    This is a realisation by the writer of the sort of spiritual temptations Jesus must have gone through, and he put it into a story.

    And before you say Jesus could have told his disciples, figure out for yourself why Jesus would not have done so - if you can.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There are numerous contradictions that you and WR have ignored. It is you that denies scripture and makes up things. You have your own dogma that you worship which is fine but, to not claim that it is the truth unless you are prepared to defend your claim.
     
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    You are NOT a CHRISTIAN. Lying is not what a CHRISTIAN does.
     
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    Only to those who can't comprehend simple word sentences.
     
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    It is you that defends the wicked WR.

    You have defended the Slaughter of Amalakite babies claiming that they were evil yet giving little support for that claim.

    Lets look at another group and see what evil they do and see if it is worthy of mass slaughter of whole towns including women and children.

    So what is the Evil of King Sihon ? He does not want the Israelites passing through his territory. The reason for this is because God had made him stubborn.

    Any evil that King Sihon did towards the Israelites was because of God.

    What happens next - The Israelites defeat Sihon's army. Rather than pass through the land and get to the promised land, they go into all the towns and kill everyone.

    These are evil acts committed by evil people. The evil people are the Israelites. The one who instigated this evil was God.

    God's law states that children should not be punished for the sins of their parents.

    Here we have mass slaughter of children because the King refused to let Israel on his territory because God had made him stubborn.



    Here we have mass slaughter of children because of what God did.
     
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    God doesn't harden anyone's heart or make one stubborn. That is a misinterpretation of the exact words written that says God did those things. Doncha know?
     
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    The command in question is Gods command not to punish children for the sins of their parents. The Amalekite men killed some Israelites. The Israelites killed a bunch of people too.

    This does not make the babies of the Amalekites evil. God is violating the his own command by punishing babies for the sins of the parents.

    Why is God contradicting his own command ?
     
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    How did the babies - "do it to themselves" .

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    So what are you saying here ? All we need to do is label some person evil and it is ok to kill their wife, children and babies as well ?

    This is what the Jihadists believe using the same logic as you do.
     
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    The best solution is to save the souls of those poor innocent Amalekites babies from their evil parents by killing those babies according to you.

    These babies only hope is with God and God took away the babies from the evil Amalekites to deny them the opportunity to continue to produce more evil

    So the best solution for a group of people who are "evil" as defined by WanRen or "the Bible" is to kill them all.

    The Church was torturing and killing people a few centuries ago for the exact same reason. Clearly the Church agreed with your solution. They killed these people because they disagreed with them. Anyone who disagreed with the church was considered "EVIL", controlled by Satan, and so on.

    Clearly you agree with the argument of the Church back then although at least the Church has apologised claiming they were wrong. Unfortunately you have not done the same

    Extremist Islamic folk still agree with you though and use the exact same argument to kill people. Nice company you keep.
     
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    Today is no different. There are evil people - people who do not worship your God, just like back then.

    Your beliefs are exactly how Islamic extremists turn people into terrorists.( If people are evil, as defined by some Book, then killing that person is justified- even if they are babies because somehow the evil of the parents has contaminated the child)

    You say the Amalekites had total disregard for the lives of innocent babies but, you are the same.

    Your solution for people you do not like (claiming they are evil in some way) is to not only kill those people but kill their babies as well. Your reasoning is that these babies will be better off with God.

    This is the same justification for killing used by terrorists.
     
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    I'll bet $100.00 dollars he will...

    1. twist your words and regurgitate them back at you

    2. deny he said what you pointed out he said

    3. accuse you of what you accuse him of

    4. and flat out ignore the facts you have pointed out to him.
     
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    WR did not respond to these posts. He does not want to face the implications of his own claims.

    This is a critical juncture. His rational is the same as that used by the Christian Church, in the bad days, to kill and torture people. It is the same rational used today by Islam to kill people.

    The Christian church has apologised and said they were wrong. Islam has not and neither has WR.

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    So far he has chosen number 4. I have reposted this from over a week ago. WR does not want to face the ugly truth of his own beliefs.
     
  19. Mitt Ryan

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    It is because of what dwells in us, in our flesh. The weakness of the flesh gives birth to sin.

    Jesus explained that we may be willing to have the desire to do what is right, yet we fail because our resolve is weak; our flesh is susceptible to temptation.

    That is what happened to Adam and Eve, they were susceptible to temptation.

    And so every single one of us are sinners...that is what we all have in common as human beings from the time of our first parents.

    Show me a person who claims he/she has not sinned and I'll show you a liar...just another sinner!
     
  20. Mitt Ryan

    Mitt Ryan Well-Known Member

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    Truth... Mormons are not Christians. Truth...I'm not the only one claiming that. Truth.

    Truth... Although Mormons profess to be Christians and say they believe the Word of God, there are many of their beliefs that contradict Christianity. In fact, Mormonism can be referred to as a cult, which can be defined as “a religious group that denies one or more of the fundamentals of biblical truth.” Mormons say they are Christians, but because they reject foundational truths from the God’s Word, they are not.

    Joseph Smith, who referred to himself as “The Prophet,” founded the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in the mid-1800s. He claimed to have seen a vision of God the Father and God the Son, in which they denounced modern Christianity and appointed Smith to reveal and restore “true” Christianity.

    Three years later, Smith alleged that the angel Moroni told him about some golden plates on which the Book of Mormon was written. In spite of Smith’s questionable background and proclivity toward bending the truth (see The Origin, Rise, and Progress of Mormonism [New York, 1861], and Mormonism Unveiled [Painesville, Ohio, 1834]), many believed Smith, and a new “religion” was born. Today, the members of the Mormon Church number in the millions.

    Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/Mormons-Christians.html#ixzz2xTU3NDtL
     
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    Hey Mittsy, is it true ya can find god in the movies??
     
  22. anomaly

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    If sin dwells in us then how can god? It's my understanding that god can't share a space with evil.


    So jesus had some sin in him then. How then could he have provided a sinless sacrifice?


    This in it's self proves one of two things.
    1. jesus wasn't really a human
    2. the bible lied about who and what jesus was


    Well god being all powerful could have made them different or perhaps he did it on purpose so he could slaughter them all later.


    If this were true it would have to apply to jesus whom you claim came to earth as a man.


    I've been trying to point this out to you ... jesus!
     
  23. Mitt Ryan

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    Sorry but as usual you are wrong.

    Jesus was talking about all women regardless if married or not. Read the Bible, no where is He explicitly referring just to married women.

    He was not saying we can't look at women, of course we can look at them but we can't be looking at them with our tongues hanging out and lusting after them. It is all about "lust" which is wrong.
     
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    Time to be preparing # 15
     
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    Why there are still several questions that I have asked that have simply been ignored. I get the impression that ol' Mitt only answers the easy ones and ignores the ones that expose the fragility of his mythology!
     
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