Part 15 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

When it comes to Almighty God nothing is impossible.

I already debunked that theory by bringing into play all the underground water that's available.

Nope sorry but it's neither an allegorical tale nor is it based on the Epic of Gilgamesh. The epic story is actually a copy of the Great Flood story.

 

You mean when it comes to the human imagination, nothing is impossible.

 

Except logic and rationality.

 

On your part, yes. Those things go out the window for those who can't understand a simple concept like spirituality.

 

Still waiting for you to show us that Abraham lived during 4700 BC. Good luck with that.


You yap and yap about your own made up story and then as soon as a "tough question" that shows the flaw in your story comes up you stop responding, turn tail and hide.

 

What is spirituality?

 

Logic and rationality must be thrown out the window in order to maintain belief in Evangelical/ Pentecostal dogma.

 

You've 'debunked' nothing, you've simply not thought things through. If the subterranean waters erupted they would leave a vacuum. This would have to be filled with either air or collapsed earth. As water is heavier than air it would immediately return to fill any vacuum, or to force any air out. The earth has remained virtually the same for millions of years so that rules out any large collapse.


Historical evidence for Gilgamesh’s existence is found in inscriptions crediting him with the building of the great walls of Uruk (modern day Warka, Iraq) which, in the story, are the tablets upon which he first records his great deeds and his quest for the meaning of life. There are other references to him by known historical figures of his time (26th century BCE) such as King Enmebaragesi of Kish and, of course, the Sumerian King List and the legends which grew up around his reign.

Which means that Gilgamesh was a 1000 years before Moses, and the legends we know were written periodically, starting shortly after his death.

Go and visit many of the world's museums and look at very ancient stone artifacts, obelisks, tablets etc. etc. which give lie to your literal interpretation of the Bible.

 

There are no floodgates of the sky. The rain that fell came from the ocean as it normally does. If there was enough rain - and I've dispensed with fountains of the deep earlier - to cover Everest or, even smaller mountains then the oceans' water level would drop and reveal the bottom of many shallower seas. .But that is not possible as water finds its own level. Water falling on Ararat would automatically descend to lower levels and back to the sea. Therefore the ark would not have been necessary and there would have been many more survivors.
Obviously the actions of water are not your strongest point.

 

Water coming up out of the ground to help fill water above ground to 5 miles high is an absolute ridiculous claim. The lengths folks have to go to just so they don't have to come to grips that some of the stories in the bible are not factual events.
Water is always going to see the lowest level it can find.

 

I suggest we all watch the new Hollywood production "Noah" and then we will have all the answers. Russell Crowe knows all !

 

Does it have flying saucers, starships and shapechanging creatures in it? Is it a flying ark with warp drive? Do they find angelic like creatures with whom they procreate and spread 'humanity' across the stars?

None of that? O well, I'll stick to watching reality shows like the Simpsons

 

WanRen has been absent for awhile ... perhaps he is busy consulting to the creators of Noah .. telling them the real history !

I can not wait to see WR's Zombie Apocalypse version of the Noah story where all the wicked people start eating their babies.

 

I suspect he will be waiting for Vatican approval before going to see it. He's probably flown to Rome to get it.

I must say that this new Pope seems to be more open to change. Perhaps its his upbringing and his involvement with the poor. Perhaps he might ease some of the oppressive and ludicrous 'dogma' and circus parades of the RC church.

 

You say you have read it but I seriously doubt it otherwise you would have known that the other nation God sent prophets to was the nation of Judah.

Your assignment is to read the whole entire Bible then you can come back to me with any questions you might have...ok?...lol

 

The reality is, it is you non-believers who are acting out like conspiracy theorists whipping up false arguments to serve as denials of the Christian faith.

 

Most aren't whipping up false arguments. The not having the 'faith' because most want something concrete. Faith means nothing is concrete. And one's faith is no more right or wrong then the next persons faith.

 

This would suggest that there exists some compelling evidence for Christians' claims, rather than a world full of evidence speaking against those claims.

 

Unfortunately there is no universally agreed definition of spirituality. Religion claims it to be an aspect of religious 'belief'. Psychology extends it to other experiences human experiences.

 

Lets get one thing clear. Judah was part of the nation of Israel - part of the 12 tribes. Deut. 6:9 'Hear O Israel, the Lord out God, the Lord is One'.
So God sent Prophets to Israel. The fact that they split into Israel and Judah after Solomons death, due to human nature, did not split the nation (Jews) in Gods eyes, just in human terms.
The context of the paragraph/Bible extract has to be taken into account when deciding which 'Israel' is appropriate.

It all depends on what is meant by sending prophets to nations. Jewish prophets prophesied about events affecting Israel (the JEWS), so they were 'sent' to Israel (the JEWS). On the other hand Jewish prophets were sent to other nations - Jonah went to Nineveh, and Nahum prophesied against Nineveh.

That's if you accept the Bible version of Jonah. What is interesting is that the people of Nineveh already had a god - half man, half fish - so when Jonah appeared from the belly of a large fish why should they not believe.
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I point blank asked him what is spirituality. I have yet to see a response. I think he ran.

 

That is also a question I've asked. What other nations were told about YWHW, before they went in and slaughtered them. Never an answer to that either.
So I have to assume my thought is correct. YWHW never revealed itself to anyone other than the Jewish nation(s).

 

What is with these baseless accusations ? If you are going to accuses someone of something then at least provide evidence. What "false arguments" are you referring to ?

You make wild claims " Flood happened 5000 BC" , give no substantiation for that claim, and then refuse to answer questions or give support for that claim .

"how do you figure the time of Abraham was 4700 BC" where is your evidence or argument of any kind for this claim ?

Have you been reduced so low that all you can do is hide in the corner nattering baseless insults at those whom you think are attacking your faith because they have asked you to give scriptural or other support for what you say ?

You accuse others of making false arguments but it is you that is arguing for a 5000 BC flood date which puts Abrahams birth at 4700 BC. I have provided evidence that this is false (even your own links agree with my position that the time of Abraham was around 1800-2100 BC)

Your have no response to your own falsehood, a falsehood that has been shown you directly and from which you run and hide, and then you stand on a stump and accuse others of "whipping up false arguments" without even stating what these false arguments are ?!

Are we supposed to accept your accusation, the accusation of someone who spreads falsehoods, as truth ?

Do you yourself accept unsupported accusations as truth/ reality ?

Do you realize how deep into hypocrisy you are ?

 

The "Ancient Alien" version of the Jonah story is as plausible as any of the other fantasy explanations.

Occam's razor - The most obvious conclusion (the one with the least assumption) is likely correct.

Jonah was in the whale for 3 days. This rules out it being a whale (no oxygen, digestive fluids would quickly kill) http://500questions.wordpress.com/2012/03/18/29-was-jonah-really-swallowed-by-a-whale/

Unless of course "God did a miracle - which is a massive assumption as addressed in the previous link"

That the whale was not actually a whale at all but a submarine - Some advanced technology (Atlantic, Aliens) is just as plausible as the "God did it" theory.

We have all kinds of fantastic stories from the past - Do we believe them all true claiming God or "the Gods" did it, or does it make more sense that humans made stuff up or that these supposed encounters with Gods were encounters of primitive peoples with more advanced cultures.

God vs Alien ? We can not prove or disprove either. One thing that is for sure is that if some Aliens did show up they obviously would have had advanced technology and our ancestors would have thought them to be Gods.

The point here is not that "Aliens are or were among us".

The point is that even if we assume that some of the Bible stories had some basis in truth, there is no way to distinguish and alien encounter from an encounter with God. We would be looked upon as Gods by many cultures of the distant past.

You can substitute "alien dude" with God at every place in the Bible and it makes just as much sense.

The most plausible explanation however, the one requiring the least assumption, is that these were stories that grew over time to mythic proportion.

 

Telling me what? When I quote Scripture I am not paraphrasing, I give exact quotes, then I give what book it came from, what chapter it's from, what verse or verses and lastly what Bible it is taken from.

And so how could those be my opinions? Furthermore when I give the quote lots of times I'm explaining what the quote means, in other words the correct interpretation always keeping in line with Scripture. I'm not at all like you non-believers who will take a particular passage/quote and just twist it and spin it somehow to make it look discredible, that is called not keeping in line with Scripture fyi.

So again it's obvious you have no idea what you are talking about.