Part 16 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

Show where there were any "innocent babies" found in the 'Bible' other than the Christ child, Jesus. Where in the 'Bible' is that highlighted statement found?

 

This post was not to you and it was sarchasm = the comment was not meant to be taken at face value. The person I was posting to got it was we know where each other stands.

Genisis 6

I agree with you that God stated that "all" humans were evil all the time. Babies are humans too so according to God babies are evil.

This means that according to God Noah and his family were evil. If God was killing folks because they were evil then he should have killed Noah as well.

In Genesis 8 God states:

God accepts the fact that all humans are evil and agrees not to destroy the earth or all living creatures again.

Why did God allow the evil that he had created to persist ?

 

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All I did was state what one of our previous claims. How is that contradicting myself ? Do you even know what the word contradiction means ?

 

What are you talking about. Where did I say that Job was to blame ?

Both Satan and God were to blame for killing Jobs family. I apologise for neither.

You are the one trying to avoid the fact that God was complicit in the killing of Jobs family.

Simple question. Did God allow Satan to kill Jobs family ?

 

I consider people innocent until proven guilty. I therefor consider a baby innocent.

 

What sin has a baby committed ? Innocent until proven Guilty.

God's law "children are not to be punished for the sins of their parents" = Children are not Guilty for the sins of their parents = innocent.

 

Oh well... your considerations are duly noted ... and rejected as mere opinion.

 

Ahhh... there you go imitating me in that alleged crime of answering a question with a question. So in that vein, I will simply say.. you are refusing to answer my question.

Your last sentence does not answer the question of where that statement is found in the 'Bible'. Maybe because that statement is not found in the 'Bible'.

 

The Christchild Jesus was born of human flesh. If all men are born in sin then the same must apply.

In any case the Jews do not accept that as I've already said. And as I said to WarRen this is what God told them and they believed him, if you wish to question God that's up to you. Just because Christianity has perverted some of the Tanakh teaching does not detract from its validity as the Jewish Scriptures. It's interesting how Jesus trusted and quoted the Tanakh in his dealings with his people, the Jews.

 

According to you and your interpretation. You seemingly don't take into consideration the issue that Mary was virgin and the power of God... in that the power of God can make changes in the physical if He so desires. I am not saying that He did but it is a possibility. That possibility would also allow for God to simply overlook the Original sin based on the fact that she was virgin. In either case, the scenario cannot be resolved through human intellect with its corrupt imaginations. Also is the issue that Jesus was not 100% human flesh. If you remember your biology lessons, it requires both male and female interaction in order to conceive a child. Well, in this particular case, the male portion was that of the Holy Spirit... not human flesh.

It is also interesting how it was the Jews that had Jesus persecuted and killed So the Jews not accepting Jesus is a moot issue.

 

Surely we run into difficulties here. My biology lessons taught me that it requires male sperm to fertilise the females egg and produce a human being. That being will hopefully grow up to live a life of human feelings. If Jesus was not 100% human flesh but conceived by the Holy Spirit,
then all I was taught as a child is wrong. Jesus could not have experienced all the feelings of human life as he was not truly human. It was the fact that he became human, I was taught, and the Church still teaches, that he could experience all the ups and downs etc. of human life, and thus truly 'offer' himself to God.

The Jews rejected Jesus because he did not fit the prophectic Messiah as in the Tanakh. Christianity has 'adapted' it to fit its own beliefs. Still that's another ten thousand word 'discussion'

 

I am just responding and following your lead the way you adept at doing quote # 616
http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=354869&page=62&p=1063892473#post1063892473

Amazing how you contradict your self
Actually I am able to see fake bible writers.

 

Well I am waiting for you to post link to prove cannibalism did not existed so if you can prove that cannibalism did not existed I will eat your short if you can't you can continue to be what you are so here I post a link about cannibalism and the interpretation of the story of Job.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannibalism#Pre-history

Some anthropologists, such as Tim White, suggest that ritual cannibalism was common in human societies prior to the beginning of the Upper Paleolithic period. This theory is based on the large amount of "butchered human" bones found in Neanderthal and other Lower/Middle Paleolithic sites.[43] Cannibalism in the Lower and Middle Paleolithic may have occurred because of food shortages.[44] It has been also suggested that removing dead bodies through ritual cannibalism might been a means of predator control, aiming to eliminate predators' and scavengers' access to hominid (and early human) bodies.

[45] Jim Corbett proposed that after major epidemics, when human corpses are easily accessible to predators, there are more cases of man-eating leopards,[46] so removing dead bodies through ritual cannibalism (before the cultural traditions of burying and burning bodies appeared in human history) might have had practical reasons for hominids and early humans to control predation.

In Gough's Cave, England, remains of human bones and skulls, around 15,000 years old, suggest that cannibalism took place amongst the people living in or visiting the cave,[47] and that they may have used human skulls as drinking vessels.[48][49]

Researchers have found physical evidence of cannibalism in ancient times. In 2001, archaeologists at the University of Bristol found evidence of Iron Age cannibalism in Gloucestershire.[50] Cannibalism was practiced as recently as 2000 years ago in Great Britain.[51] In Germany, Emil Carthaus and Dr. Bruno Bernhard have observed 1,891 signs of cannibalism in the caves at the Hönne (1000 – 700 BC)[52]

http://www.easyenglish.info/bible-commentary/job-lbw.htm

The book of Job teaches us many things about the devil. The devil’s name is Satan. ‘Satan’ means ‘the accuser’.
Job’s friends did not blame Satan for Job’s troubles. Even Job did not blame the devil. Job and his friends thought that God made Job suffer. But they were wrong. God is good. God wants us to have wonderful lives. God is preparing a beautiful home in heaven for his people (John 14:1-3; Revelation chapter 21).
The Book of Job explains that Satan caused Job’s troubles. Many Christians think that Satan was once an angel (a servant of God) – Isaiah 14:12-15. But Satan refused to obey God. Satan thought that he would be as great as God. Other angels joined Satan. These evil angels are called ‘evil spirits’. (See Mark 5:1-20.)
Satan causes the troubles in the world. God created a beautiful world (Genesis 2:. But Satan used a snake to test the first people (Genesis 3). The snake told the first people that they should not obey God. Then they would become like God (Genesis 3:3-5). The people obeyed this terrible advice. Since then, everybody has done evil deeds. This is why our lives are difficult (Genesis 3:17-19).

Satan even tested Jesus (Matthew 4:1-11; Hebrews 4:15). But Jesus did not behave like us. Jesus did nothing that was evil (1 Peter 1:19; Hebrews 7:26-2. When Jesus died, he destroyed Satan’s work (Genesis 3:15; Hebrews 2:14). When we invite God into our lives, we become friends of God, because of Jesus’ death (Ephesians 2:14-1.

But the devil continues to test us. He wanders across the world (1 Peter 4:. He tries to tempt us. He wants to accuse us. We must not follow his advice (James 4:7). He hates us because we love God. And God will protect us (Ephesians 6:10-1.
In the Book of Job, Satan visited heaven. We do not expect to see the devil in heaven! The devil is God’s enemy. The devil belongs in hell.
Jesus’ work was complete when Jesus died for us (Hebrews 10:13-14). But God’s enemies still have some power (Luke 4:6; 1 Corinthians 15:26; Hebrews 10:13). In the future, God will punish all his enemies. And Satan will suffer the punishment that he deserves (Revelation 20:1-10).

Verse 8
God was proud of Job. Job was special to God.
Every Christian is special to God. God knows his people (2 Timothy 2:19). God knows everything about us (Matthew 10:30). He sees our secret actions (Matthew 6:3-4). He hears our quiet prayers (Matthew 5:6). He is better than a friend (John 15:15). He is closer than a brother (Proverbs 18:24). God loves his people. (See the Song of Solomon, or read Revelation 21:3-4 and 1 John 4:19.)

Verses 9–10
Satan is the accuser. Firstly, he accused God. Satan said that God was not fair. God was protecting Job so Satan could not attack Job!
Satan was wrong to argue that God is not fair. God is always fair.
But Satan was right that God protects his people. God rescues us when we have troubles (Psalm 40:1–3). God saves us from our enemies (Psalm 59). God helps us when we pray (Psalm 61). God is like a castle where we are safe (Psalm 61:1–2). We can always trust God (Psalm 71).

Verse 11
Then Satan accused Job. Satan thought that Job was not really loyal to God. Job served God because Job respected God. Satan thought that Job preferred wealth instead of God. Satan was wrong. Job was still loyal to God even when Job lost all his possessions.


Verse 12
In verse 11, Satan wanted God to destroy Job’s property. But God did not agree to this request. God is not evil. God does not do terrible things to his people. God is never cruel. God refused to destroy Job’s property.
However, sometimes God allows the devil to test us. God allows such troubles so that we learn to trust God more (1 Peter 1:7). Even when we suffer, we love God deeply. And God gives joy to us (1 Peter 1:.

Terrible things might happen to us (Matthew 5:11). But we can be glad. God has a wonderful reward for us in heaven (Matthew 5:12). Stephen knew this. Stephen’s enemies killed him because he spoke boldly about Jesus. But when Stephen was dying, he did not care about his pain. God showed heaven to Stephen. Stephen even saw Jesus in heaven (Acts 7:55). So Stephen was not afraid (Acts 7:59-60). He knew that God would reward him. And Stephen knew that heaven was his real home. (See 1 Peter 1:4.)

We must not be afraid of troubles. God knows us. And he cares about us. God decided what troubles Job would suffer. In verse 12, God did not allow Satan to hurt Job. In Job 2:6, God did not allow Satan to kill Job. Satan might cause many troubles, but God controls our lives.

 

http://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionary/satan/
So you don't agree with this link and the story of Job.
Unlike your link, this one doesn't jump all over the bible to try and twist the words or meaning of job. In other words it tries to remain honest.
The Hebrew word satan [f'f] means "an adversary, one who resists. And it doesn't change the hebrew meaning from adversary to accuser.


Verse 8
God was proud of Job. Job was special to God.
Every Christian is special to God. God knows his people (2 Timothy 2:19). God knows everything about us (Matthew 10:30). He sees our secret actions (Matthew 6:3-4). He hears our quiet prayers (Matthew 5:6). He is better than a friend (John 15:15). He is closer than a brother (Proverbs 18:24). God loves his people. (See the Song of Solomon, or read Revelation 21:3-4 and 1 John 4:19.)
But this from your post, shows we don't have 'free will'. Something you claim we have. But now you must agree with what you posted and now believe we don't have free will. You're learning. Good for you.

 

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I have no idea what on earth you mean.

As to fake Bible writers?

I have been reading the Bible since I was able to read. My parents were Christians, we went to church 3 times on a Sunday. My friend and I were always top of the class in Bible exams. I have studied the Bible most of my life, and as I am now 75 I guess I know a little more than you. In fact, I know I know at lot more than you do. Reading and studying the Bible has led me to become agnostic.

Sorry, but I think your knowledge of the Bible is sadly lacking, as is your understanding of it.

 

You are the one that makes up fake Bible stories. Now you are trying to blame others for your sins = 2 sins.

I am sure that the minions will add coals to the fire in anticipation of your arrival.

 

Is your thinking perfect in every manner conceivable?

 

Of course not. What I should have said is 'Sorry, but I know your knowledge of the Bible is sadly lacking, as is your understanding of it.'
And I've proved that time and again, as have others on here.
I have no intention of getting into a discussion on WarRen competency. I leave you to believe what you will. .

 

You might just as well give me leave to believe what I will, because you certainly have not provided anything that compels my mind to accept what you have submitted as true.

 

I have no intention of providing evidence which has been right before your eyes over the past few weeks.

 

So you're contradicting yourself....the world is NOT full of possibilities, since there is "no possibility" of this being a world where you are posting things you don't believe?

Typical. The "I won't repeat my claimed statement because it is embarrassing to me" Routine. Seen it a million times.

 

If they were killing all their babies?....in not so many years, the wicked people all would be gone, dead of old age.....

so why have a Flood and kill all the other animals and have Noah waste his time building a boat for something that would have "fixed itself" in a few decades? God had waited CENTURIES...why not a few years more?

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Why would a person want to WORSHIP a Being that kills or orders children to be killed?

1 Samuel 15:3

 

Your question was "Is the world full of possibilities that include ....a possible world where you are posting things you don't actually believe?" and my answer was "NO!" The world being full of possibilities which would include both the negative and positive. Therefore, your conclusion is misguided.

Who are you quoting? I never made such a comment, so what relevance does that statement have to do with the statement to which you are responding?

 

Ahhh... I see you are playing the avoidance game. Your question has no relevance to the post you have quoted.

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Ahhh... I see you are playing the avoidance game. Your question has no relevance to the post you have quoted.