Part 16 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

Where is your link that cannibalism is a joke and does not and never existed?
Yes "God knows everything about us and sees our actions" and God allows our free will to decide our own fate He allows us to experience that joy and pride of choosing the right choice and if one chose to be evil that is their choice not God's therefore you should agree then that it was not God who created Satan. Satan was created by Lucifer just like your parents are not responsible for what you become because they allowed your free will to be what you are if your parents interfered with your free will to become what you will become you would turn against them a rebellious or a very submissive person not able to think and act on your own so again please provide link that cannibalism did not existed I am very confident and sure that you and all of your them people will not be able to so just like how you can't disprove the Bible or change Job's story to blame God you will never prove that cannibalism never existed because truth matters.

 

I have corrected many fake and distorted attempts to present a different bible from the real Holy Bible.

 

There you go this is what we mean by fake bible writers. You have only prove and exposed yourself as a person lacking in knowledge in the true and real Holy Bible but very knowledgeable in un-biblical matters. Of course you will never want to engage me in a discussion because I am able to refute and debate all your false claims about the Holy Bible and Christianity. And I humbly accept your intention of retreat.

 

It's actually you who is the one whose knowledge of the Bible is sadly lacking, as is your understanding of it. If you truly understood the Bible you would not have become an agnostic but you would have remained a devout Christian.

You claimed you did all this studying and were top of your class but I recall a while back you didn't even know that God had pardoned every single human being who had lived prior to our Lord Savior Jesus Christ. Below are past quotes between you and I that illustrates this lack of knowledge of the Bible on your part.

Holler if you still aren't able to get that "reference" and I will tell you where to find it in the Bible.

 

How do you know that those wicked and evil people will run out of innocent babies to eat or run out of any forms of food? Have you wonder why Noah's family has no babies? They were all adults and young adults as God instructed Noah to save each species of animals God would have also instructed Noah to take all innocent babies with him.

Those wicked and evil people were the worst of its kind Genesis 6:5 describe it well The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time..

Do you believe just like the rest of the them crowd that cannibalism never existed? If you do maybe you can provide some link that cannibalism never existed or human sacrifice never existed because no body has been able to provide any prove and all they do is scream and laugh about no cannibalism.

God never orders the killing of any innocent children God only orders the killing of a specific tribe the Amalekite because that tribe are the chosen people of Satan that is why modern archaeology in fact I believe you and the them people do not believe that such tribe as the Amalekite ever existed while the Hebrews, Egyptians, Babylonians, Persians, Ishmaelites, Samaritans, Philistines we know these tribes existed because the Amalekites were people of Satan and as chosen people of Satan they will do everything to destroy the chosen people of God.

There is only two things here either God allow Satan's chosen people the Amalekite to wipe out the Jews or the Jews wipe out the Amalekite. The difference is that the Amalekite do not need Satan to tell them what to do they already know what to do because of their pure wickedness while the Jews are more likely not to engaged them or to destroy them because of their human heart we called mercy and love only God knows how evil and wicked the Amalekite are that is why it took God's interference to instruct the Jews that they need to destroy the Amalekite because the Amalekite will destroy them if they don't.

 

Sorry...but your claims are not true. The fact is, conservative scholars agree that we have a great deal of eyewitness testimony recorded in the New Testament documents.

The Gospels of Matthew and John were written by two of Jesus' original disciples. So both of these Gospels are based on eyewitness testimony. Early church tradition claims that Mark's Gospel was based on the preaching of the apostle Peter (another eyewitness of Jesus' life and ministry). And Luke's Gospel begins by noting the importance of eyewitness testimony to the ministry of Jesus.

 

Sorry...but your claims are not true. As I have already said to Woody, the fact is, conservative scholars agree that we have a great deal of eyewitness testimony recorded in the New Testament documents.

The Gospels of Matthew and John were written by two of Jesus' original disciples. So both of these Gospels are based on eyewitness testimony. Early church tradition claims that Mark's Gospel was based on the preaching of the apostle Peter (another eyewitness of Jesus' life and ministry). And Luke's Gospel begins by noting the importance of eyewitness testimony to the ministry of Jesus.Sorry, none of the Gospels were authored by eyewitnesses.

 

It's relevant to the "God killed babies" subject we are continuing on this thread, Incorp.

Clearly there is evidence of God not only killing babies (the Flood, etc.) but ORDERING his followers to kill babies (Book of Samuel)......so I ask?

Why would anybody want to worship an Infanticidal God???

 

Are you trying to argue that the Gospels claim to be written as "eyewitness testimony" have to written from the 1st person? Where is it the law that any "eyewitness testimony" must be written from the 1st person?...lol

The four Gospels are written as in the form of historical narrative documenting the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ so it would only be fitting that they were written from the 3rd person perspective.

One should be more skeptical about a text claiming to be historical record and being written in the 1st person. Just think about history in general…..the only documents that I can think of written in the 1st person would be autobiographies.

Did Christ have to write a story about His own life? Of course not. Nearly all historical works follow a "reporting" style and would thus use 3rd person narrative.

More importantly, the purpose of the Gospels is not for the writers to talk about their lives, but the life of Jesus Christ. Writing from 3rd person places even more emphasis on this goal as opposed to the writers (unnecessarily) talking about themselves.

We see that Luke begins his Gospel in the 1st person clearly stating the purpose of the work in Luke 1:1-4.
Luke essentially says that he is writing a history book chronicling the life of Christ. Though not explicitly indicated by the other 3 Gospel writers, this same historical narrative style can be seen in the other 3 accounts.

Their claim isn’t that "hey, we saw this stuff happen" (even if the writers were firsthand witnesses), but more formally documenting history events.

They each had their own perspective and unique style in that they focus and write about some different things, mainly to appeal to the audience they are trying to reach….Matthew to the Jews, Luke to the Gentiles etc…

So in conclusion, I see no problem with first-hand witnessess not writing their Gospels in the 1st person perspective.

You atheists try so hard to discredit the Holy Bible but to no avail...sorry but you just can't discredit the truth!

 

Really? Because there is NO mention of cannibalism in the Holy Bible before or during Noah's Flood. None.

Seems like to claim otherwise is a "fake and distorted attempt to present a different bible"

 

WR, if the babies are killed....that means they can't grow up to be adults. Which means in a few decades, when the older adults DIE OFF OF OLD AGE...there are no new, younger adults to replace them.

Then the women stop giving birth due to menopause....and in the end, the last "cannibal" dies ALONE of old age.

Wicked people....extinct. And no Flood needed.

God ordered the killing of CHILDREN in the Amalekite tribe....true or false?

Now you know I can quote the verse....so go ahead and say "True, BUT...." and come up with your next excuse for God, the "loving and merciful" to ORDER the killing of children and BABIES.

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Same standard for "The Book of Mormon"?

 

Again, your question has no relevance because: 1 You are using your man-made intelligence to judge God, and 2: That man-made intelligence will not allow you to understand why God did the things that are attributed to Him. 3: You are using the 'Bible' as an authority which you otherwise reject as being false. Now I ask you: Do you accept the 'Bible' as true, or do you reject the 'Bible' as being false. If you accept the 'Bible' as true, then there is the distinct possibility that you would/could have a valid argument. On the other hand, if you reject the 'Bible' as being true, then you are intentionally using what you have rejected as being true... which makes your claims a mere matter of a fishing expedition using a low torque low speed electric motor for propulsion.

 

Well lets be honest and very clear here, He loved us so much that's why He sacrificed His life and died for us but at the same time He needed to also prove His divinity to His disciples so that they could be His witnesses and be the original vehicles to spread the Good News to all the Nations of the world!

I'd say we're getting real close into getting the whole entire world aware by receiving the Good News about our Lord Savior Jesus Christ and what His message represents...wouldn't you?

 

Please stop making me laugh, my sides are getting sore. You have not refuted anything I have said. For someone who believes that people routinely ate their babies. For someone who believes that the Amalekites lived in Canaan, the 2m Jews wandered the Sinai, that the earth was completely flooded in Noahs time - or did you change your mind on that - that the Jews misinterpreted Gods word to them, shall I go on? You've changed your mind, twisted posts, 'misinterpreted' others posts so much who knows what you believe.

 

Incorp, I'm agreeing to the paradigm the Believers set.

If you want to argue the Bible is full of false information....then my question on God killing children requires no further discussion. It's just a fairy tale about a malevolent maltheistic being who seems to have a penchant for killing children.

If you want to argue the Bible is accurate....then my question remains.

It's not a matter of MY belief....but yours.

 

So why can't WE get the same privilege as Peter, Matthew, Luke, Mark, et al? Were they better than us?

 

Once again you are making claims "as if" these claims are a proven fact when they are not.

This is taken from "The Original Catholic Encyclopedia" http://oce.catholic.com/index.php?title=Gospel_and_Gospels

Sorry, but as is so often the case, the things you claim as proof positive are not even remotely proof positive.

What is a fact is that we do not know who wrote the Matthew and John so these can not possibly be claimed as "proof" of eyewitness accounts.

What makes your claim even more of a joke is the fact that Religious Scholars in general agree that titles of the books (Matthew, John) do not reflect the Author.

 

Now that's interesting. You trawl back months to find something and miss several posts in which I have pointed out your errors, but never had a reply.

In the case you mention I believe there was more to our discussion than you quote

Read Romans 3 - particularly 25 - in conjunction with the Tanakh. Notice how many times God did not leave sins unpunished.

Paul had his own Gospel while the other disciples had theirs. Pauls teachings were his own. Jesus did not institute the Last Supper - Paul did.
To Jesus it was a Jewish Passover with Jewish friends. Paul transformed it into a Christian ceremony. As with other teachings. The Gospel we have today is down to Paul. I don't believe that is what the teacher Jesus intended. The Church was never built on Peter but on Paul.

I know you won't agree with me. That's your privilege.

It's because I do understand the Bible that I'm agnostic. My indoctrination wasn't as deep as yours.

 

No need to go any further. Did man make intelligence or did God ?

Further - if you go by the Bible, God states that Children are not to be killed for the sins of their parents.

Then we have God having the Israelite go out and kill children on front of their parents, kill babies and so on.

We also have (story of King Sihon) cases where the Israelites kill all the townspeople of a kingdom because the King did not let them pass through their land. The reason the King does not let them pass is because God makes the King refuse to let the Israelites pass.

Belief in the literal scripture 100% makes God a hypocrite. Perhaps God had his reasons but it makes no difference to the facts. A hypocrite is a hypocrite.

If you wish to believe that God is a hypocrite and full of other petty characteristics then go ahead.

If the intelligence that God gave you led you to the conclusion that God is a baby killing, hypocritical, irrational, illogical, and full of petty human characteristics type of God then so be it.

The brain that God gave me tells me that it would make no sense to believe in the aforementioned characteristics of God based on,

1) a Book written by folks we do know,
2) a Book which plagiarizes stories that predate the writing of this book by many centuries,
3) a Book which contradicts itself in numerous instances,
4) a Book that we know contains errors, omissions, interpolation and outright fraud,
5) a Book that we can not prove to be true, but in many cases has been proven to be false,

and so on.

 

Are you then suggesting that you don't hold a belief in the things you are saying?

 

HaSatan was not created by Lucifer. HaSatan and Lucifer were created by God.

HaSatan was created to test mens integrity, to allow man to show his strength in that testing to prove his love for God (like Job).
Lucifer was an archangel who coveted Gods position and was cast down.
And don't quote Is. 14:12. That's referring to another angelic being.

Heavens above. If God did not create Satan (HaSatan) then who did. I thought God created everything?

 

Then you do believe in the existence of God, HaSatan and Lucifer. You have to believe in them in order to make such a statement of fact.

 

It would seem Islam is not far behind.

 

That would depend on which intelligence you are speaking about.

 

No I don't. I'm going on what the Bible says. I've said that time and again. Others take the Bible as a matter of fact, I'm simply using their beliefs to get a point over. WarRen made a statement which is not substantiated by the Bible.