Part 17 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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  1. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Due to the subjective nature of "Right and Wrong", it is generally considered a good idea to use data that can be verified through scientific inquiry.

    Thus, most individuals in a forum such as this use data links from reputable sources to support opinion.
     
  2. Incorporeal

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    Well... goodness me... try this one. http://fair-use.org/bertrand-russell/the-elements-of-ethics/section-iii

    "The word right is very ambiguous, and it is by no means easy to distinguish the various meanings which it has in common parlance." As a sample of what Bertrand Russell had to say.
     
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    ...capitals...?
    There were no "capitals" in the language during the bible writing days.

    But even without the scriptures, wouldn't you agree that Truth is the basis for man's welfare, in general, and even survival against the threat of extinction?
     
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    All I have is a listing in Genesis that claims mankind began with "Adam," and then went thru 22 changes... until Modern man appeared as three different types or racial stocks filled all the earth, even to the mountain tops...

    That seems pretty much to parallel the science we know is right.
     
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    Which capital "T" Truth do you mean?
     
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    Yeah,...
    But when I do that, you respond with "got nothing."

    At issue here is whether Noah makes sense when we know the facts of our evolution.
    it does.
     
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    Should we confide in a Bible more than in any given Person?
     
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    I mean the Ideal of truth.
    The concept of what Truth means, in general.

    I distinguish this noun with a capital because it represents an ideal, not some singular individual truth or another.
     
  9. tecoyah

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    Actually, all you have is a fabricated numerology desperately attempting to justify a belief in manmade deity.

    Whish by the way...is poorly fabricated to begin with.

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    Reputable links.....kind of an important part.
     
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    Which capital "I" Ideal is the capital "T" Truth representing then? My Truth might differ from your truth but they both could be True.
     
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    The is only one Truth.

    You and I may have different perspectives concerning our "guess" as to what might be true on some issue.
    But one or both of us would be wrong if that was not a truthful idea.
     
  12. cupid dave

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    I GAVE you the last book published by a team of Paleontologists, which stated that 22 human species went extinct leaving only us, modern man:

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    This same story is reported in the Bible:


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    I see....and the number 22 means something ?
     
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    The number 22 is actually the sum of 3 + 7 + 12 = 22.
    It also is the number of letters in the Hebrew Alphabet.

    22/7 = pi

    It is a great number and the basis for a wisdom called Kabbalah.
    But here, 22 is the number of kinds of predecessors between Adam and Modern man, much the same as explained by the scientists.
     
  15. tecoyah

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    Wait Adam was created in Gods image right....so we can now know what God looks like....cool.

    LucyAFP.jpg

    Not quite the way I thought he looked.
     
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    OK...let's get something straight right now.

    The story of Adam and Eve is just that....A NICE STORY!!!

    There is absolutely no possible way only two people could populate the planet as they would not have the genetic diversity within their Genomes to do this and after a few generations inbreeding would make future generations completely STERILE!!

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    Did you give consideration to environmental conditions that might have altered their genetic structure?

    http://enhs.umn.edu/hazards/hazardssite/radon/radonmolaction.html

    An interesting article on such effects that might occur.
     
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    If anything such Radiation would make it even more difficult for them to breed.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    Wouldn't that also depend on the dosage received in a given period of time... we are talking about millions of generations according to evolutionists.
     
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    Exposure to Radiation...even the Sun's rays...causes MUTATION.

    Skin Cancer caused by too long and over exposure to the Sun's Radiation is a MUTATION.

    But with only 2 people....you could probably get 3 or 4 generations before Birth Defects and Sterility caused by inbreeding...would end a species Radiation Exposure or not

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    Good guess and good fact never underestimate nature.
     
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    Noah sailed with in the Black Sea area parts of the world were covered with ice and snow while other parts with water. Many scientist were since the age of discoveries were consider insane at the end they will be proven correct their discoveries that was once consider insane, impossible and crazy is now what we have super computer, space satellites, mobile wireless phones etc. how can that happened? How can they make such gadgets that according to main stream people it is impossible.

    Modern scientist are now repeating the same warning that Noah echoed to the people of his time and the same people that did not believe exist today. The only difference is that today's scientist warning are not based on God's wrath or for people to convert but is base on secular reason this world will end due to climate change or global warming even the atheist scientist Steve Hawking is echoing the Noah's warning.

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    The 3 amigos certainly are better than the 4 horseman.
     
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    Nature has nothing to do with this.

    The Planet has a specific amount of total water on and within the Earth.

    If all water ice melted it could only rise sea levels by less than 200 feet.

    5.5 Miles is about as high as Mt. Everest...the highest land elevation on planet Earth.

    It's NOT a guess.

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    The story of ape to human is just a story base on fiction there is no way and that has been proven that apes can not turn into humans or humans into ape.
     
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    The Earth is not going to END...anytime soon.

    Perhaps in Billions of years from now when our Sun expends the majority of it's Hydrogen and expands into a Red Giant large enough to expand past the Solar Orbit of Earth and then burn up the planet...THEN....the Earth will end.

    But for now....the Earth isn't ending...if anything...WE WOULD BE!!!

    Perhaps by Asteroid or Cometary impact.

    Perhaps by massive does of Cosmic or Solar Radiation as a result of a massive Coronal mass ejection.

    Perhaps due to Super Volcanism.

    Perhaps due to Pollution or Nuclear War.

    The Earth has experienced many ELE's...Extinction Level Events during it's 4.54 Billion Year existence.

    Human's and our ancient ancestors have only existed on this Planet for about 5 Million Years.

    5 Million Years compared to 4.54 BILLION YEARS...is a BIG DIFFERENCE!!

    AboveAlpha
     
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