Part 19 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

The "bottleneck" is found in that only three racial stocks appeared back 40,000 years ago, Shem, Ham, and Japheth representing the Caucasian, Negroid, and Mongolian lines.

These three stocks then gradually grew into the seven races we genetically detect today.

 

That argument is no longer valid since the genetic discovery of just one common father to all men living 40,000 years ago.
This Science called the one father by the name "Adam," because the scientist did not realize that this singular father corresponds to Noah, and to the "flood" out-of-Africa theory of the Paleontologists to whom I have already advised you in the past.

 

Claim as they may, these guys all ignore that Jesus told them: "this GOSPEL will be preached over all the world, and then the end will come."

So those others are wrong to suggest that the Koran or the Gnostic Bible, or the Book of Mormon have any weight in this issue at all.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come

 

One day all of your mocking of God is going to come back and haunt you. You're going to regret all the nasty, disrespectful posts you've made on these forums.

God created mankind to have free will, we have the free will to disobey Him, blaspheme Him and yes even mock Him. But we are warned that God will not always be mocked. The blasphemy and derision are temporary. There will be a day of reckoning, and ultimately, a man reaps what he sows.

We read in Scripture, "Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap."---Galatians 6:7 ESV

 

It is not unrealistic at all ? What is unrealistic is the idea that people would not know the story of their origins given that the historical figures (Noah and Shem) were still alive.

Not only are Noah and Shem still alive but all the ancestors down to Terah - Abrams father.

The first hilarious thing you claim is that the descendants of Shem were living all over the planet. They were all living in Sumer/Mesopotamia.

Arphaxad was Shem's son. Obviously there are not many people at this time and the other two brothers took off to far off other lands ( a ridiculous concept in of itself as why would you leave your family but this is for another time)

So we have Shem, his wife and Arphaxad and Shem's other 4 sons (One was named Elam from whom presumably the Elamites are descended)

OK ... so far we have Shem, his wife and 5 sons (and hopefully a bunch of daughters so the son's can have wives and bear the children of incest)

Not many people at this time in any case and all living in the same area.

Arphaxad has a son Shelah, Shelah has Eber, Eber has Peleg. Arphaxad is the great grandfather of Peleg. Obviously Peleg is going to know that his great grandfather was one of the firstborn after the flood and so on.

How many people can there possibly be at the time of Peleg ? A couple of thousand at most and they would live in fairly close proximity and they all share the same story as all of their ancestors have similar lineage back to Shem.

If you assume 5 sons each of every person born from Shem to Peleg (and daughters for each son) you end up with 780 males and presumably and equivalent number of females.

Peleg has a son Reu. Obviously Reu is going to know the story of his ancestors (what else do these people have to talk about not having internet television or books ?) There are only a couple of thousand people around at the time and they live in relatively close proximity.

Reu knows his story and probably would have met Shem personally. It is not like these people are not going to get together from time to time and have gatherings.

Would all these people not be worshiping the God of Noah ? Reu is going to know the story of his ancestors. Even if he has not met Shem I would hope he would have at least met his great grandfather who probably lives no more than a couple of miles away if not on the same property.

Do you really think that Reu's great grandfather Shelah is not going to tell him the story of his origins ?? Shelah is the son of Arphaxad who was one of the first son's to be born into the world after the great flood !

Even if Shelah did not tell Reu, he would have heard it from someone else because all the 2000 or so people living around each other share the same history.

Every living person at the time of Reu (who is of Reu's generation) has a great grandfather who was the son of the son of Shem. Everyone knows the story as they all share a common history.

It is abject idiocy to think that this small group of people living in such close proximity to each other are not going to ask (what is your lineage) every time they meet someone new.

These people have lives. One needs to find wives for your sons and presumably they have stopped doing their own sisters or at least not all of the time.

How do you think that happens ? Just like now ... people get together at gatherings and meet people. When they meet they talk about their family background (not having much else to talk about other than how many cows and sheep one owns .. who did what to who an so on). All these people are closely related and share a similar lineage. What family they are marrying into and how they are related up the line would be known by everyone at the time of Reu. ESPECIALLY BY RUE BECAUSE HE CAN BOAST THAT ALL HIS ANCESTORS BACK TO AND INCLUDING SHEM AND NOAH ARE STILL ALIVE.

Rue is going to not only to know that "all" of his ancestors are still alive but he is also going to know where they live and perhaps even what some of them have been up to lately. Noah showed up at so and so's place at the last festival ... Shem and Arphaxad made an appearance at so and so's wedding.

There are only a couple of thousand people in Mesopotamia at the time. Folks are going to know stories about each others business. Rue is going to know all kinds of stories about Noah, Shem and his other relatives.

Are we to think that these 2000 or people have started worshiping some God other than the God of Noah ? They know the story of Noah directly and know all the actors involved (far better than we do). They would know the names of the wives and numerous other events.

Your problem Mitt is that you never think on your own. You take what was spoon fed you and try and make reality fit into what you were spoon fed.

Why all this discussion of Reu and the world he lived in ? Reu is Terah's great grandfather.

Perhaps Terah never met Noah and/or Shem (even though they are still alive), but he did meet his great grandfather Reu.

Reu was 89 when Terah is born and he lives to the ripe old age of 207. Reu is around for at least 70 years of Terah's life and Rue is 159 when Abram is born. Terah then leaves "Ur" and goes to Cannan. Perhaps this explains why Abraham adopts the Canaanite God (El Shaddai)

The idea that Terah did not meet his great grandfather Rue (or at the very least have stories passed on to him from his Grandfather Serug (Rue's son) is preposterous.

Every other person living in Mesopotamia of Terah's generation has a similar story to tell (from a Grandfather who knows the lineage back to Noah because his father was a Reu-like figure).

Even if Terah did not know his story ... almost everyone else alive would know the story. They would all know the story of their ancestors Noah an Shem and they would know that these people were still alive.

At the time Terah is born (assuming 5 sons per person) there are roughly 150,000 people living in Mesopotamia (Max because I have assumed no one dies and every man has 5 sons)

If we put Terah at 1900-2100 BC (and it can not be much earlier as per the Bible timeline) then the creation stories from this time period should reflect the knowledge that the ancestors of all humanity are still alive and walking the earth.

 

I would like to see this article that shows who this common father is as this is quite cool.

This of course refutes what the Bible says though.

 

The claims of the Qu'ran (or any of these other books) are no more or less valid than the claims of the Bible to authorship by God.

The Qu'ran is preached all over the world as are many other holy books. So what ?

One of the main, if not the main, pillar of the message of Jesus was already present and being preached in many other parts of the known world at the time of Jesus. "The Golden Rule".

Let us assume however, that this was not the case. There are many folks who have said things that turned out to be prophetic over the millennia. Some of these prophecies have been far more specific than the general claim made by Jesus which was already true during his time.

 

#20 is here

http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...r-tough-questions-regarding-christianity.html