Part 22 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_science
The relationship between the Roman Catholic Church and science is a widely debated subject. Historically, the Church has often been a patron of sciences. It has been prolific in the foundation of schools, universities and hospitals, and many clergy have been active in the sciences. Historians of science such as Pierre Duhem credit medieval Catholic mathematicians and philosophers such as John Buridan, Nicole Oresme and Roger Bacon as the founders of modern science.[1] Duhem concluded that "the mechanics and physics of which modern times are justifiably proud to proceed, by an uninterrupted series of scarcely perceptible improvements, from doctrines professed in the heart of the medieval schools."[2] Yet, the conflict thesis and other critiques emphasize historical or contemporary conflict between the Catholic Church and science, citing in particular the trial of Galileo in evidence. For its part, the Catholic Church teaches that the Christian faith and science are complementary.

Catholic scientists, both religious and lay, have led scientific discovery in many fields. From ancient times, Christian emphasis on practical charity gave rise to the development of systematic nursing and hospitals and the Church remains the single greatest private provider of medical care and research facilities in the world. Following the Fall of Rome, monasteries and convents remained bastions of scholarship in Western Europe and clergymen were the leading scholars of the age - studying nature, mathematics and the motion of the stars (largely for religious purposes). During the Middle Ages, the Church founded Europe's first universities, producing scholars like Robert Grosseteste, Albert the Great, Roger Bacon and Thomas Aquinas, who helped establish scientific method. During this period, the Church was also a great patron of engineering for the construction of elaborate cathedrals. Since the Renaissance, Catholic scientists have been credited as fathers of a diverse range of scientific fields: Jean-Baptiste Lamarck (1744–1829) prefigured the theory of evolution with Lamarckism; Friar Gregor Mendel (1822–84) pioneered genetics and Fr Georges Lemaitre (1894-1966) proposed the Big Bang cosmological model. The Jesuits have been particularly active, notably in astronomy. Church patronage of sciences continues through elite institutions like the Pontifical Academy of Sciences and Vatican Observatory.

 

The Third Eye theory more reason to proof that humans possess special intelligence that comes from something special it is called the human soul Genesis 1
26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.
28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

 

The Third Eye is a mystical and esoteric concept

 

Sheesh............. of course.

 

So the church used to be of some value to humanity about a hundred or so years ago. Now it is just a drag on the world of ideas.

 

And actually there isn't much evidence for God either.

 

God is not dead, but working on a much less ambitious project.

 

Quite the contrary for there are lots of evidence for the existence of God, it's just that you have blinded yourself to see them. Open up your eyes, your mind, look around you and you will see the evidence.

Scripture tells us, "For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God."---Romans 1:20 NLT

 

Quoting scripture does not prove the existence of God no more than an atheist quoting portions of God Is Not Great by Christopher Hitchens proves that God doesn't exist, save for the fact that God is Not great is filed under the non-fiction category in your local library while the bible is filed under the fiction category along with the Quran and The Book of Mormon.

 

Maybe because gorillas, chimps, dolphins, bears, monkeys, mouse, dogs, cats etc., are smart enough to know better.

 

The church is, was and is still is providing great value to humanity.

 

I would love to agree with you but I am sure that trevorw did not meant it to be a lie or more lies. I am also sure that you misquoted trevorw.

#613 http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=371470&page=62&p=1064268809#post1064268809

 

No maybe at all those animals are not involved in human research, debate or discussion because they are not humans they don't have the human soul that is why they exist according to their make and kind only. Genesis 1

21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.”
23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.
24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so.
25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

And science support this it too agrees that those animals lack human intelligence that is why they do not talk and seat with human scientist to discussed or to debate about life, about climate, about discoveries, ,medicines or about God. Those animals however are being used by humans as scientific specimens to discover new medicines and creation.

 

I agree. Trevor is not a liar.
However, no morons will understand. So some have no worries.

 

As opposed to the poster.

 

Tell that to the women, homosexuals, Jews and slaves whose lives it's ruined.
There's also the church's prosecution of Galileo for making the scientific observation that the earth IS NOT the centre of the universe like so many christians were told to believe and that the sun DOES NOT revolve around the earth like so many christians were told to believe. Then there's the inquisitions, wow lets not even go there. The crusades, we also have the witch hunts in europe ordered by the church. Not to mention all the sexually abused children. There are the countless "Christian" charitable foundations that keep a lot more money than goes to the actual charity work. The christian prosecutions of pagans and the forced conversions of American Aboriginals.
Yea that's great value..

 

God is not dead, it just doesn't give a darn.

 

I thought I would drop in this thread for a moment. I read the title and I had hoped this thread would be a good discussion on seeming biblical contractions and such things. Now it seems like I dropped in the set of Jeepers Creepers the way the jeepers creepers critter dropped on top of the school bus. The Christians are in the bus as usual and I gotta' kill the monster analogically speaking~



As for your disparaging remarks, Oh come on! Really? Yes there are bad Christians in the world today however for every bad Christian and reverends there are hundreds of good Christians. For every rMuslim beheader there are thousands of good non-violent Muslims (even if I feel they are lost spiritually, lol). For every civilization emerging out of the mud huts at the dawn of mankind there were religions holding societies together. Without religions there would be no Egyptian dynasties, no Pyramids no Sistine Chapel or other beautiful buildings, and there would be a lot less old masters art and a lot more suffering and sickness gone untreated via billions of dollars worth of help donated by NON PROFIT Christian charities. There is more but you get the pic?

Oh yeah the earth is the center of the universe according to some theory. Why? Because consciousness ie sentience is required for some quantum events which after trickle up to what we see as an macro universe. In other words without sentient observers (we humans are the only known sentient observers) the universe would not exist, it is created by our observing it! Hey I like some science! lol You know what I mean? In the quantum world (subatomic) Its proven that our observing a particle that is in super position (which means its neither a particle or wave) that act of observation forces a collapse of the wave function (forcing the particle to 'choose' to become a wave or particle). So just as our act of observing that particle so goes the universe. And since we humans live on earth, it does in fact become the center of the universe. Lastly if you cant get your head around quantum physics there is another way to look at the earth or sun as the center of the universe. Its based in pure hard science. What is it? The universe, which of course includes space is expanding. Not from a point but from everywhere! So again that makes earth the center of our universe. If it is NOT the center of the universe where is the center? Gotcha' twice!

disclaimer lol; I typed the above in less than a min or two, my old basset is trying to take a whiz on my AR-15 parked in the corner so I have to go walk the old fart lest he water my rifle. What I am getting at is in my haste and working from memory some small science details may be off but the bulk of what I typed is true factual and correct....

reva

 

Not at all. Perhaps to be more polite it could be said that you have changed position and other peoples posts so often neither you or many of us know where you are at the moment. You're so confused, we're so confused, and the Moderators must be likewise confused. :
It's rather like

Just to lighten the mood.

At a church gathering the priest stacks a pile of apples at one enf of the table with a sign saying 'Take only one apple please, God is watching'.
At the other end was a pile of cookies. Little Johnnie placed a sign by it saying 'Take all the cookies you want. God is watching the apples'.

 

Has anyone defined what a "kind" is and what mechanism prevents one "kind" from becoming two "kinds"?

 

I agree only as you said morons will not understand that is they tend to misquote others quote.
trevorw post is very clear it is not a lie and not a post about what I posted it is a legitimate question about Margot's post.
http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=371470&page=62&p=1064268809#post1064268809

 

The church has provided sanctuary to homosexuals, women victims of domestic abused and crime, to Jews that were being single out by anti Semitism, educating slave owners to set stop slavery, protecting run away slaves and providing them with hope and will for freedom and equality. Thousands of church people priest, nuns and lay people have willingly unselfishly sacrifice themselves to protect all people that are being oppressed.
The church was instrumental in keeping Galileo a devout Catholic scientist his research materials from being destroyed by his rivals many from the secular sector in the end it will be the church that will recognize Galileo as father of modern science against secular resistance. The inquisition that brought sanity to mob mentality the lynch mob the crowds that all demand street justice the kind of mob mentality that still exist today thanks to the inquisition the church step in and took the responsibility to stop the mob from taking control today we have the Justice Department working hard to to stop mob justice from illegally acting as inquisitors against individuals accuse of wrong doings or crimes (ex. Ferguson police officer, Ray Rice, M Vick etc.)
The crusades thanks to them western civilization was saved and eventually progresses to what is now the Modern civilization still working hard to save this world and continue to advance modern civilization today we are active fighting against all sorts of terrorism and extremism.
The so called forced conversation you refer to against American aboriginals you seem to forget that those natives have been waging wars against other tribes with sear brutality that is why many of those tribes wiping out each. Christianity brought humanity to the world today that is very evident with the progress, stability and security in Western nations.

 

So are you saying what dairy posted about your post making it appear to be mine is accurate?
And God is watching both the apples and cookies, just like God knows what you posted is yours, what is mine is mine and what is dairy's is dairy's there is no way to cheat around that.
http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=371470&page=62&p=1064268809#post1064268809 your post # 613

Tell me that is your post right?

 

A bird can not be an insect, a fish can not be a cat, a bear can not be a lizard, a human can not be a gorilla, a chimp can not be a human etc. etc. A human have difference races, birds have different species, etc. etc. that is what according to their kind means. Modern science have expanded so much that everything has been categorized according to their kind.

 

Meantime, others get posts deleted when discussing this purposely twisting of others posts while the distortion and twisting continues unabated.