Part 22 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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Margot posted that the Bible is full of errors quoting several. You have insisted all along that the Bible is right, though you have gradually altered your stand on things like the flood. Originally it was a literal flood as literally described in the Bible. It is now a flood that occured 'sometime' in the past.
You been changing your stance as regularly as I change my concubines.
The fact that the Bible has these errors must be a hindrance to Christians, not anti-christians who have been saying this for many years. So where do you stand now.

And the joke about apples and cookies has nothing to do with the subject. Just a joke.

 

I did not say I believed that there is a human soul. I said I believe that such a thing might be possible.

How do you know whether or not dolphins do not discuss the existence of a soul ? Can you speak Dolphin ?

The point here is that there is no definitive proof of a soul. Believing something might be true ... and claiming there is definitive proof for something are two different things.

You seem not to understand the difference.

 

Scientists have not agreed that there was a global flood of Biblical magnitude. This is false and in fact the contrary is true.

Scientists have proven that a global flood did not happen 4-5000 years ago.

2) you believe that talking donkeys are a reality of history

3) How did God help Noah ? Did he teleport all the animals to the Ark location and shrink them all to that they would all fit ? Do you believe the tooth fairy is real as well ? Do you believe that Jonah was inside the stomach of a whale for 3 days ?

I know cannibalism is real. That every human prior to the flood was eating their own babies is your fantasy.

 

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If god is "all knowing" as indicated in the bible, (examples below) then why was he not aware of Lot and his family who lived in Sodom, as first evidenced by Genesis 18:26 (The Lord said, “If I find fifty righteous people in the city of Sodom, I will spare the whole place for their sake.&#8221

Why did Abraham have to intervene and stop god from destroying Lot along with the rest of Sodom? Why didn't god already know Lot was there?

Thanks.

Examples of god's omniscience:
Jeremiah 23:24 "Can a man hide himself in secret places so that I cannot see him? declares the Lord. Do I not fill heaven and earth? declares the Lord. "

Matthew 10:29 "What is the price of two sparrows--one copper coin? But not a single sparrow can fall to the ground without your Father knowing it."

 

Christians well tell you God did know, and it was just another test of Abrahams faith and character.

Personally I don't believe Abraham or Lot ever existed.

 

hahaha are you actually trying to justify the churches wrong doings against these people?

Galileo was imprisoned for 7 years by the catholic church, the secularist's had nothing to do with his persecution. They constantly claimed that due to these passages;
Psalm 104:5 "the lord set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved." and;
Ecclesiastes 1:5 "and the sun rises and sets and returns to its place."
which we know, because of science, are contradictions of the bible.
They used these two passages to not only accuse Galileo of heresy, namely of having held the opinions that the Sun lies motionless and that earth is not at its centre and moves, and that one may hold and defend an opinion as probable after it has been declared contrary to scripture, the church then forced him to denounce his findings. He was then put under house arrest, which he remained in until his death. The secularists had already recognized Galileo as a father of modern science well before the church publicly did so, hundreds of years after he died in 1992. His enemies were exclusively in the church, that's not up for debate that's accepted as truth worldwide.

The inquisitions were formed by the church which began in the 12th century and last well into the 14th century. spreading as far as central and south America. The total number of people put on trial by inquisitorial courts throughout their history was approximately 150,000 of which about 3,000 were executed, many more had their lives ruined by the church for fear that they may revert to their former religions. Not to mention numerous smaller inquisitions that may have murdered as many as 3000 more people later on in history.

There is not one shred of evidence that supports the fact that the crusades saved "modern western civilization". Not you, nor any other historian can ever accurately predict what "might" have been.

Yeah the christian's brought "humanity", along with the brutal attempted genocide to American aboriginals. Forcing people to believe what you believe through fear is not "humanity". Not all American Aboriginals were at constant war with each other. Goes to show how little you know about the Aboriginal cultures here in Canada and America.

 

Here is a Tough Question Reguarding Christianity.

As is admitted and obviously aparent worldwide and ESPECIALLY in the United States....most likely because the U.S. is a society at the forefront of Science and Technology....the members of all sects of Christianity are DWINDLING in vast...vast numbers.

Church closings happen daily in the U.S. as they can no longer support their own operations and Christianity is not the only Religion experiencing this as members of other Religions are losing membership as their modern children call themselves Agnostics or Atheists.

How does Christianity remain viable in a MODERN SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY DRIVEN WORLD without changing itself?

AboveAlha

 

We are on the forefront of another age of enlightenment. All its going to take is a few more or maybe even just one major scientific breakthrough and I believe there will be droves of people that will begin denouncing their religions and questioning their traditional beliefs. Newer generations are becoming more and more curious about the universe and are no longer just accepting the age old answer of "because it just is". We are maturing as a species our evolution is now not only limited to physical characteristics but mental and emotional characteristics. This is the age of humanism. The rise of the human collective.

 

Yeah...a lot of people are into the Gaia Theory...that being that all Matter and Energy in the Universe is part of a Collective Consciousness....could be?

AboveAlpha

 

My stand is as always the Bible has no errors.

 

You believe that a human soul might exist is a good start.
I can not speak dolphin nor can dolphins speak human because humans are humans and dolphins are dolphins created according to their own kind.
Humans created in the image of God through human intelligence we are learning how to understand and communicate with dolphins.
I fully understand the difference between definitive and not definitive and what you can not understand is that there is definitive proof of the existence of human soul.

 

1. Either the scientist were wrong and you are right I am sure the scientist got it right that this earth did experienced a global climatic event of Biblical proportions that resulted in the extinction of the dinosaurs and the reshaping of this planet geography. Scientist 5-4000 years ago something happened.
2. I believe that talking donkeys is fiction that is why we Christians categorize it under fiction.
3. God help Noah by bringing the different species to Noah. I believe the tooth fairy is a fiction made up by early atheist or pagans.
4. If you believe cannibalism is real and not believe that part of cannibalism is eating babies then you are contradicting yourself.

 

Are you justifying that the barbarians, the Mohammedans, communist should subjugate the world?

 

No, which is why I have criticism for all of them as well, but this is not a thread about the barbarians, this is a thread about christianity.

 

I would understand if you had provided definitive proof but so far you have not done so.

 

1) you have provided no "Science" or Scientific evidence that backs up your claim
2) The Bible speaks of Talking donkeys... Glad you think that at least some Bible stories are fiction
3) You have no clue what God did, or did not do because you were not there.
4) If folks had eaten all their babies then there would be no reason to send a Global flood ?? All the evil people would go extinct from baby eating.

 

Then the Bible is in error. Balaams ass did not talk.

 

How many "kinds" of birds are there? How many "kinds" of insects are there? How many "kinds" of fish are there? How many "kinds" of cats are there? How many "kinds" of bears are there? How many "kinds" of lizards are there? If you can answer these questions, then maybe you can answer the second question I asked in Post #645. What mechanism prevents one "kind" from becoming two "kinds"?

 

I am glad you agree. It's good to see you coming around.

 

Numbers 22:30 The donkey said to Balaam, “Am I not your own donkey, which you have always ridden, to this day? Have I been in the habit of doing this to you?”

 

That is good to know that you agree that this world would not be a better place under the control of the Mohammedans, Barbarians, or communist and it is for this reason why the crusades happened to stop the Mohammedans from subjugating this world and because of the crusade western civilization as we know it now survived and thrived. Because of the success of the crusade civilization under Western Christian nations subsequently was able to modernized and advance medicine and science Christian monks would be able to concentrate in their research without worrying about the Mohammedans or the barbarians wiping them out. Through the great efforts of the church the secular sector was able to absorb the many research materials and education that the church shared and taught them. Galileo an outstanding catholic scientist would create many enemies mostly from his own scientific society envy of his success his only ally and protector was the church. The church not wanting to commit the same mistake that happened to the Templar Knights took great efforts to convince Galileo to calm down and to continue quietly his research until such time that he can produced solid evidence not just theories that would withstand the criticism of his scientific rivals we can easily compare this church position to today's Justice system where in investigators must produced solid clear evidences and not just relay on theories to successfully present their cases.
The inquisition was the best system compare to the Mohammedans sharia system or the crowds mob rule because of the absence of a legal system many local officials and individuals using their power and influence have been unjustly going after their enemies without due process the church was the only one that had the literacy and spiritual authority to step between warring individuals and angry crowds from massacring each other and most of all to protect society against the Mohammedans and other heretical Christian groups from taking down the fiber of truth and justice. The Inquisition successfully brought sanity to Western Europe in 1900's with the rise of communism thousands of anti communist people will be executed, incarcerated the estimated number was by the millions compare to the church's Inquisition where only 3000 were found guilty.
History is very clear thanks to the crusades Mohammedans advanced was checked, Western Europe was saved today we see the fruits of all this.
In the American continent before the arrival of Europeans the wars, brutality and barbaric practices surpassed what is happening in Europe that is why when the Europeans arrived many of tribes embraced them as savior because between their local rivals, enemies and the Europeans the Europeans are of the lesser evil.

 

I have many times and I will gladly repeat it the greatest evidence of the existence of the human soul is us without you or me the human soul will not thrived. How do we proof the existence of radio waves through devices that our inventors create without those devices we would never know the existence of those indivisible radio waves the living human body is the device that proof the existence of the human soul.