Part 23 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    People in 32AD had no idea that hypnosis was an OK thing and many people would in our day learn to use it.
    The bread passed out with the fish seemed to feed everyone.

    Faith healing is used in many churches and called "in the spirit" when the person falls down trance-like.
     
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    Nah, the creator of life does not by his effort kill anything. We just use him as an excuse for our killing.

    What he did do is to leave everything up to us. He gave all of the earth's resources to all men equally, but he left it up to them to make sure it made all of his creation to thrive. Being selfish, we created the rich and the poor, and capitalism. I doubt god is a capitalist. In fact, in Acts, we are shown what sort of society god apparently prefers. As a horde of a mixture of people, rich and poor were awaiting Pentacost, a problem arose with some of the poor not having enough to eat, enough to survive. And so a few of these men were inspired by god to sell all that they owned, and give the proceeds to one of the apostles to distribute to each according to his need. One couple were selfish, but did sell their lands, their homes, but kept back a portion for themselves.

    It is then written that god struck both down dead. For their lying and their selfishness. But more than likely someone killed them and god got the credit.

    But of course the orthodox Christian image created by the selfish brain is a jealous, angry vengeful god, loving to kill his own creation. But this is just a reflection of what man is, and they try to justify their evilness by saying god told em to do it.

    To arrive at a coherent idea of what god is, one must arrive at that by negation. You negate what he is not, and what is left, is what he is. You can do this with other things like love. Love is not attachment, nor is it sex, nor is it jealousness, nor is it violence. When you state what love is not, what remains is what it is. And so love is a great rarity on this earth and always has been.
     
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    Yes, the Jews did such things, for sure.'
    But the Cohans, the priests, were raised to believe they must only marry other Levites.
    If they did not, they lost their priestly facilities.

    That is one of the things which the Jews applaud here, that this is also evidence that at least 80% of these priest genetical show they we loyal to their oaths.
     
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    There were classes of people.. wealthy and poor even in Bible days..

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    There is no such thing.. Nobody has Aaron's DNA.. What farce.

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    There is no such thing.. Nobody has Aaron's DNA.. What farce.
     
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    No,...
    Jesus was using hypnosis which we did not even know about until 1880, when Dr Mesmer discovered it.
    Mesmer called it "animal magnetism."

    We OUGHT call it "magic," but we never do once we give it a name and pretend we accept it as normal.

    He thought he had magic powers himself.

    But even TODAY, we have NOT explained what Hypnosis actually is, why it works, or what is really happening.
     
  6. Mitt Ryan

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    Well it's really because of our sins, remember the wages of sin is death. If our first parents Adam and Eve didn't sin by disobeying God then no one would go to their earthly deaths, nobody would die.

    Instead of eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge which God told them not to do that because they will die, they should have obeyed Him and have eaten the fruit from the tree of life.
     
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    I would imagine much of the bible is in the realm of fairy tales, but fairly tales that have a spiritual meaning as opposed to a literal meaning.

    The fairy tales were very entertaining, which insured they would be passed on orally for a very long time before written down. It is up to the reader of those to see beneath the fairy tale, to find the diamond in the heap of dung.

    The trouble comes in when we form groups of people who believe literally in the bible. We call them fundamentalists, an American invention not that too far in the past. Fundamentalists are those brains that do not have spiritual insight, and then have to rely upon words for their security. Fire insurance, and their religion is motivated by fear.
     
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    Its allegorical... Jesus fed them with the word...
     
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    We never really "die."
    The verse is referring to the second death called Extinction.
    That is the "death" which the verse refers to.Neanderthals really died.

    Christ conquered death.
    He explained that we come back with the same Unconscious mind we now have today, but with more life experience added into its scope.

    We just do not yet use our our Unconscious mind knowingly, and do not yet realize we have been here before.

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    yeah, yeah, yeah...

    Muslim type talk about how wonderful Jesus was, but never accepting any of the things he told them to do.
     
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    Every culture had a tree of life that predates Genesis.
     
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    The Koran mentions Jesus far more often that it mentions Muhammed.. and they have six or seven ways of saying the Golden Rule.

    Why don't you undertake a course of study on references in scripture to the words of Jesus being the food and water or wine being life giving?
     
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    Why was Jesus, aka "God", a high priest of Melchizedek instead of a priest of Aaron? It sounds like dueling priesthoods.
     
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    Well we do die an "earthly" death but yes we never really "die" and become non-existent. Some of us will end up in heaven and live happily ever after but the majority will end up being separated from God for all eternity and sent to hell.

    But wherever we end up at, it was our choice to be there.
     
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    That there are dangerous ideologies in Christianity is not complete nonsense. Christianity was a horror show for over 1000 years.

    I would rather live in a Secular nation that does not make laws on the basis of religion. The Constitution prohibits laws being made on the basis of religious belief.

    The founders realized how dangerous Christianity was.

    Clearly the founders realized the dangers of the Christian religion and hence they put safeguards into the constitution to prevent such atrocities from happening again.

    You want to overturn these safeguards claiming that there is no need for them.
     
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    Yes you could and your claim would be equally valid. Bottom line is that your premise that Christianity is without danger is false.

    What did I say that was not fact. You can always tell someone who lacks material when they make accusations without backup.
     
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    The message and the facts are more important that is why for several times God revealed Himself and the ultimate revelation was when He came as Jesus Christ that historicity is undeniable the amount of evidences of Jesus Christ his life the events that would have a worldwide historical effect changing the course of history to what it is today is no fiction.
     
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    The dangerous ideologies threaten to turn people into monsters that have little regard for the lives or rights of other humans.

    Examples would be ISIS in our age, Christianity during the Middle ages, or the Israelites after the Exodus.
     
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    Is it consider a lie to say that Jesus Christ is not the Messiah as claim by many atheist, agnostics and anti Christians?
    The rapist as I and you'll find many other scholars will label to Barabbas as part of his crime is no lie it is part of the discussion that as a notorious criminal specially during that time rape is part of it the only difference is that rape during the Roman time was not really consider a crime the general charge against Barabbas carry all sorts of crime that come from being a notorious rebel, a killer, murderer. Was he a rebel against Rome or was it against the Pharisees? Remember the Jews are divided among the Pharisees, Zealots and Sadducee. Because of discussion we will ASSUME he is a rebel against Rome just like as part of discussion we can label him as a rapist too as part of him being a notorious criminal but because your group want to cherry pick this word not because you are interested in the integrity of the Bible but it is about defending Barabbas and discrediting the Bible.

    If you really have read the Bible then you would understand that Barabbas was a notorious criminal.

    If Barabbas crime is against Rome why would Rome offer him to the Jews for freedom if the Jews chose Barabbas wouldn't this mean they are against Rome for choosing a rebel who has rebelled against Rome? Chances are Barabbas crime was against the Pharisees or Jews that is why Pilate offered him and Jesus for the Pharisees to chose both men criminals under Jewish laws. Would you consider this kind of discussion as lying?
     
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    Talking Donkeys is true ? There was no Global flood 4000 years ago as the Bible suggest. All animal and human communities did not restart 4000 years ago.

    This is abject nonsense

    Genetics shows that non African humans share DNA with Neanderthal.
     
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    Yes Mitt ... we know for that mountain ranges are millions of years old. There are ice cores that are hundreds of thousands of years old.

    The Earth is much older than the 6000 years.
     
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    Did you know that corn is mentioned more than the devil in the Bible?
     
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    Yes back then they did not understood the miracles now science and medicine is understanding it today it is possible to cure lepers, misdiagnosed someone to be dead when they are not or that some blindness are temporary due to some illness or medical condition.

    Hypnosis has temporary effects it wears off. Jesus miracles stayed and worked it permanently cured the leper, made the blind man see and gave Lazarus new life.

    How they did it was miraculous Jesus was able to feed the 5000.

    There was nothing monetary to gain during Christ and early Christianity only death and torture.
    The Pharisees were making money that is why Jesus reprimanded them for commercializing God's message or religion for their selfish gain.
     
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    Voodoo has similar rituals.

    Churches that practise speaking in tongues claim to speak for God. This is an unforgivable sin.
     
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    So, is Barabbas a notorious criminal, murderer, rebel, killer guilty of being a rapist too or not? If not please present your evidences.
     
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