Part 26 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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  1. Incorporeal

    Incorporeal Well-Known Member

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    Well, you see, I am a team player also, and I do offer assistance to them from my position on the playing field. However, I reserve my views on how to improve their playing techniques to a more private scenario. I, nor anyone else, should ever divulge to the opposing team the various techniques that can be used by the home team... Now that last tidbit was something I learned while serving this secularized country in the armed forces.

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    I was hoping actually, that you would provide the answer to your question.
     
  2. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    Are they triplets?
     
  3. Incorporeal

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    I would seriously have to place that one on the highest possible ranking of Doubt.
     
  4. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Duarte, Mao, ISIS, AL Qaeda and every other genocidal maniac who comes into power are not God's authority. Those tyrants do not recognize God's authority they only recognize their own authority.
    Paul is referring to rulers that recognize God's authority and if they recognize God's authority those rulers will rule fairly and democratically that is why the West is more prosperous and democratic than the communist then Stalinist, Nazis and ISIS.
     
  5. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    Nice try in defending Satan unfortunately the Bible is very clear after all the sufferings Job experienced from Satan Job remain loyal to God and the Father and Son story here is God and His children represented by Job.
    The Catholic church was the only institution that dare to defend Jews and humanity when everybody else were murdering and killing everyone they please.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicut_Judaeis

    Sicut Judaeis (Latin: "As the Jews") was a papal bull setting out the official position of the papacy regarding the treatment of Jews.

    The first bull was issued in about 1120 by Calixtus II and was intended to protect Jews. It was prompted by the First Crusade, during which over five thousand Jews were slaughtered in Europe. The words sicut Judaeis ("and thus to the Jews") were first used by Pope Gregory I (590-604) in a letter addressed to the Bishop of Naples. Even then the Pope emphasized that Jews were entitled to "enjoy their lawful liberty."[1]

    The bull was reaffirmed by many popes including Alexander III, Celestine III (1191-1198), Innocent III (1199), Honorius III (1216), Gregory IX (1235), Innocent IV (1246), Alexander IV (1255), Urban IV (1262), Gregory X (1272 & 1274), Nicholas III, Martin IV (1281), Honorius IV (1285-1287), Nicholas IV (1288-92), Clement VI (1348), Urban V (1365), Boniface IX (1389), Martin V (1422), and Nicholas V (1447).[2][3]

    The bull forbade Christians, on pain of excommunication, from forcing Jews to convert, from harming them, from taking their property, from disturbing the celebration of their festivals, and from interfering with their cemeteries.

    The bull of 1120 was not the first papal expression against the mistreatment of Jews. In 1065, for example, Pope Alexander II wrote to BĂ©ranger, Viscount of Narbonne, and to Guifred, bishop of the city, praising them for having prevented the massacre of the Jews in their district, and reminding them that God does not approve of the shedding of blood. In 1065 also, Alexander admonished Landulf VI of Benevento "that the conversion of Jews is not to be obtained by force.


    What do you know about Catholic doctrine or about Christian doctrine for that matter?
     
  6. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    Why would Inc challenge our statement? Is he not challenging your statement?
    One at a time Inc and us will challenge all your statements as we always have been and it is best we settle all your misinformation first unless you can provide proof that we are wrong and you are right so far you have not been able to provide any substantial proof.....so will you provide proof?
     
  7. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    When Jesus returns he will rule with an iron rod. He's not into democracy.
     
  8. Incorporeal

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    Do you really believe that?
     
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    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    Your team seems to be an arm of octopus not knowing who is the head coach all making their own claims hugging their own balls some claim to be Christians even though they do not worship Jesus, others claim to be atheist but they believe in life after death, others claim to be agnostic and yet they follow the atheist doctrine and the irony of it all is that in spite of your numerical superiority none of you have been correcting the errors of your own team mates.
     
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    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    See how you make things up and the irony we Christians have to be the one to correct you.
    When Jesus Christ returns he will show mercy to all those who will ask for mercy he will give everyone the chance to enter Heaven the freedom to chose from your own free will that is very democratic.
     
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    As it says in Revelation 2:26-28 (MSG) = "26-28 “Here’s the reward I have for every conqueror, everyone who keeps at it, refusing to give up: You’ll rule the nations, your Shepherd-King rule as firm as an iron staff, their resistance fragile as clay pots. This was the gift my Father gave me; I pass it along to you—and with it, the Morning Star!"

    &

    Revelation 12:5-6 (MSG) = "
    5-6 The Woman gave birth to a Son who will shepherd all nations with an iron rod. Her Son was seized and placed safely before God on his Throne. The Woman herself escaped to the desert to a place of safety prepared by God, all comforts provided her for 1,260 days."

    &

    Revelation 19:14-16 (NKJV) = "
    14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. 15 Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written:
    KING OF KINGS AND
    LORD OF LORDS."

    It's Biblical. Toe the line or you will swim in the lake of fire.


     
  12. Incorporeal

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    Quoting scripture does not answer the question. Do you really believe what you previously wrote?


     
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    What do you mean not really? I just presented a link you used and I know you used links at least 8 times in the past two threads and so of course now and then you like to use links that you are in agreement with in what they present, otherwise you wouldn't post them.

    What's the matter can't you think for yourself? That's the snide remark you used on me for using my favorite Christian website. We are on thread 26 now and obviously you used them more than 8 times up to now. So it rather obvious you're lying that you don't really like using links.

    But you do have a problem with me when I occassionally use my favorite Christian website or another site. Obviously you're a hypocrite and a liar, you use websites yourself and think nothing of it but when I use my favorite Christian website or others you make disparaging remarks as shown by your quotes below:

    Yep, it's so evident now you do have a problem with me quoting a website. I have exposed a liar, a hypocrite who explicitly said, "I have no problem with your quoting a website"...lol...yeah sure you don't...lol

    Your quotes proves the liar and the hypocrite that you are...lol

    I have seen you quote from a website and didn't acknowledge the fact that it came from a website and so again I detect a double standard, when you use links, use quotes from a website without acknowledging it, it's ok for you, but then when I use links it's not ok, you come out with your snide, disparaging remarks.

    Below is a quote from you and it's rather obvious you took it from some website but you didn't acknowledge it, is that in your view deceptive and illegal too when you do it? Or are you something special and exempt from it?

    What ya gonna say now...sonny boy!...lol You have been exposed as a liar/hypocrite.
     
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    Do you reject those verses from Revelation?
     
  15. Incorporeal

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    Whether or not I accept them or reject them, they do not answer the question that was directed personally to another member. But as you want to step into that part of the discussion, I will ask you the same question. Do you really believe that "When Jesus returns he will rule with an iron rod. He's not into democracy." ?
     
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    I don't belong to a team on here. I was talking football for goodness sake.
     
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    Well, scripture SAYS Jesus will rule with an iron rod, doesn't it?

    Are you dodging the question???
     
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    I'm not going back through all your post. Unlike you what I post I know through study. When I use a website it is purely for your information or to back up what I have said. The screed you use as an example of not quoting from a website is so obviously a website and not my own work, though I knew it.

    You pinch quotes from everywhere and don't acknowledge that it is not your own work. For your information I also am registered with your favourite website, and others you use. I like to know both sides of the question - Christian and non-Christian. Which is more than you.

    I DO NOT have a problem with you using your favourite website. Just when you imply, by not quoting that site, that it is your own work.

    Take #763 Part 25. I happen to know that that post is quotes from websites. You don't mention it. Just post as though it's yours.

    The problem with that is people begin to know, after all this time, how you think and post. #763 differs from your natural style of posting.

    Now I use websites that I have used in my studies, info. that I have learned.

    As to lying. I have no problem with your quoting a website, but when you quote from a website without acknowledging the fact it is deceptive, and usually illegal. THAT IS WHAT I POSTED. Which somewhat gives lie to your statement and I rather think it's what is known as the kettle calling the pot black or vice versa.

    Call me a liar and it runs off my back.

    Your limitations are obvious. Instead of learning as many of us on here have done over the years, you rely on others for quotes.


    You know nothing about the Tanakh and Hebrew scriptures, only the Christian version which you continuously quote. You have not answered any of the Hebrew interpretations of your references to verses/chapters in the Tanakh I have offered.

    You know nothing about the ancient world. You know little about ancient religions from which modern religions have evolved.

    I say again. Without the Tanakh and Christianity's misinterpretation, Christianity would never have come into being. Even Judaism borrows from earlier religions.

    I believe you are from the USA?

    'Not really' is a term used in the UK meaning 'not quite' or 'that's not quite it'.

    Anyway keep going. Let's see what else you can come up with.

    GotQuestions this week is about thankfulness/gratitude.
    At least one thing I agree with 'Thankfulness, then, is not only appropriate; it is actually healthy and beneficial to us.' Taken out of context but still true.
    Ooops From 'Gotquestions'.
     
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    Is it better for women to be hypocrites for serious relationships but honest for sex, while insisting on the opposite for men.

    When are persons of Religion going to believe in the "sacredness" of Human sexuality over any abomination of hypocrisy.

    Job 34:30 That the hypocrite reign not, lest the people be ensnared.
     
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    Stalinist, Hitlers, Pol Pots, Duartes, Maos, ISIS, AL Qaeda and every other genocidal maniac armies and followers better watch out those verses are very clear in the end good will triumph because God is the final and absolute ally of humanity and all those who worship evil will have no place to hide.

    The LORD is my strength and my shield; My heart trusts in Him, and I am helped; Therefore my heart exults, And with my song I shall thank Him. -
    The LORD is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer, My God, my rock, in whom I take refuge; My shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold.
    For the LORD God is a sun and shield; The LORD gives grace and glory; No good thing does He withhold from those who walk uprightly
    Every word of God is tested; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.


    Now the question will be are you with God or with those genocidal groups?
     
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    Yes in the end Jesus will come with an iron rod to be use against all the genocidal-tyrannical rulers who have corrupted God's authority "crime does not pay".
    The question now is will you be for the tyrants or with God?
     
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    A football is a team and to talk about football you need to talk about the several team mates in a football team. I think you use the wrong analogy if you want to be solo and not belong to any team then you should have talk about being a chess player.
     
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    Just remember this: When Jesus shows up his creatures will torture humanity, create all kinds of environmental damage, kill all life and destroy the world. Satan and a few people will try to stop the annihilation. And then only certain Jews will get into the golden cube called New Jerusalem. Everyone else will get tossed into the lake of fire. Try not to be disappointed and angry when that happens. You were just another clay pot that was shattered by the iron rod. A goat that didn't belong with the sheep. A thistle among the wheat. You may have prophesied and done wonders and cast out demons but in the end, you were nothing but a nobody that was tossed into the fire.

    It's all Biblical.
     
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    Why is a democracy preferred by Christians when clearly the universe operates under a monarchy? Should we not take our lead from God and copy what he thinks is best?

    Why is it that Christians embrace capitalism when clearly in Acts, when all of those masses were awaiting Pentacost, that God inspired man to sell their possessions, the well to do, and give the proceeds to one of the apostles to distribute amongst the poor, to each according to his needs? When a married couple did this, but kept back a portion for themselves, God stuck both dead.

    God inspired those men to basically use socialistic principles in caring for their people. God seems to like socialism. Where there are no rich at all. But since it is easier for a camel to pass through the needle's eye, this would make quite a bit of sense.
     
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    Democracy is VERY recent in the history of Christianity.........

    The camel passing thru the eye of a needle is about the Needle Gate in Jerusalem.. The big gate was closed at night (for safety from bandits) so the camel had to be unloaded and go thru the smaller gate (door) on his knees.
     
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