Part 26 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

You're on the right track about the Needle Gate but can camels actually move on their knees? http://www.tienchiu.com/wp-content/gallery/dunhuang/tien_camel.jpg

 

Yes...........

 

What are you gibbering about?

 

I am not dodging the question at all. However you and the other poster are definitely dodging the question that I have now posed to both of you. "Whether or not I accept them or reject them, they do not answer the question that was directed personally to another member. " Remember those words? I responded to the question.

By the way.... are you suggesting that you accept the 'Bible' as the ultimate authority on that subject?

 

I might have something to add. I have looked into this in the past and have come up with another solution. I cannot find the Needle Gate as actually being a fact. Now I haven't been to Jerusalem but no-one is sure today just what Jesus was refering to. . The word for camel (Kamelos) could have been misinterpreted for cable/rope (Kamilos).
There is a Needle Gate IN Jerusalem. It is in a Russian Church. Not in the walls of the city.

I haven't got my notes but from memory the Aramaic for camel is Gamla- which also refers to rope. Rope made of camel hair.
Again I could be corrected but I think this phrase occurs in 'The acts of Peter and Andrew'.
Again I could be corrected but I think a similar thing is recorded in an earlier culture - but using elephant and eye of a needle.

Jews have their own interpretation of the saying, but that has no concern on here.

Whatever, Christians interprete it as god dong the impossible.

 

I read Revelation is historical context.. not as a Dispensationalist.

 

So, in the "historical context" you are contending that the book of Revelation is true?

 

Lol...nothing but lame responses...why so defensive...feeling guilty or something?...lol ...blah!...blah!...blah! just nonsense!

 

Is it morally "wrong" to Tax the wealthiest into Heaven?

 

What set of moral standards are you using to reach that conclusion?

 

Should we confide in the sincerity of Jesus the Christ?

 

I do 99.99 % of the time. However, I cannot speak for you or anyone else that might be a part of that "we" you spoke about. On that same note, I don't recall Jesus ever speaking about 'taxing someone into heaven', whether that be the "wealthiest" or the poorest.

 

I believe it may be about the wealthiest having a diffucult time getting into Heaven. So, should it be considered immoral to simply Tax the wealthiest into Heaven instead of merely drug testing them, in our secular and temporal republic.

 

You would have to answer that question for yourself, as it seems to me that you are attempting to design a completely different moral standard.

 

Which moral Standard is that? Equality is a social concept even if not a religious one.

 

The one established by Jesus (it being harder for a rich man to enter into heaven). Social concepts are only applicable to those who agree to such concepts.

 

What a coincidence, we have a social Contract in writing, it is our supreme law of the land and Constitution. Our Founding Fathers said so in Article 6.

I believe it cannot be immoral to Tax the wealthiest into Heaven by having them pay what they are worth, under our form of Capitalism; equality is a social concept not a capital concept.

 

What this entire section of the thread is suggesting is that 'entry into heaven' can be purchased through tax dollars. Just the opposite of what Jesus stated.

 

Thanks for the photo. Unfortunately this picture is fairly 'recent'. Since the time of Jesus Jerusalem has been destroyed and rebuilt twice. Virtually every gate in Jerusalem has been 're-constructed' since the rebuild - mainly by Islam. There is no indication of any 'needle gate' when Nehemiah rebuilt the walls and gates of Jerusalem.
Nor has any been found in the ruins of Jerusalem that the Romans destroyed. When the Romans rebuilt Jerusalem it was to become a Roman city

I have it on good authority (Jewish) that guides will point out the gate you show and call it the Needle gate, because that's what people want to hear. This type of gate came much later.

Rome rebuilt Jerusalem as Aelia Capitolina after its destruction in the 2nd century. It would not need a Needle gate. No-one in their right mind would raid it as it was a Roman Garrison. 2 gates -Gate of the Columns and Damascus gate. Rough size can be seen at the ruins of Caesarena Maritima.

Ooops. I rambling again. That's the trouble with getting old.
If I've made a mistake please correct me. And if you think I'm wrong - I'm not - so there

Ooops there I go again.

 

You are probably right.. Jerusalem has been destroyed and rebuilt many times.. You know I think I misremember.. I think the Needle Gate I saw may have been in Nazareth.. (Its been a long time) I do recall that the walled cities even in Arabia closed their gates at night against bandits and only a small door admitted those who arrived after sundown.

The last time I was in Arabia.. I visited what looked like an ancient apt high rise and discovered that they lived on the upper floors as they do all over the peninsula.. cooking on the roof.. with camel stairs on the interior.. I noticed a large mill stone suspended over the door at a height of about 30 feet.. I asked what it was for and was told they dropped it on the heads of bandits in the old days.

 

Do you really want me to speak my mind? OK. You're the most pathetic and Biblically ignorant 'debater' I've come across in a long time. Will that do. If Christianity depends on you or WarRen it's already lost. Fortunately I know it doesn't. Is that too defensive for you.

And by the way DO NOT BE INSOLENT. I am not your sonny, sonny.

Just nonsense? Well I'm only following your lead. And I'll discuss you off court any day in religious subjects.


It really is hilarious. You can't or won't answer my posts except to criticise silly points, and you ignore the real things you are supposed to be able to answer.

 

Have you been to Damascus? I think there is one there - or so I'm told. And if I ever go to Arabia I'll remember those millstones

It's strange but it's only in these last few years I've wished I had visited the Middle East and seen what I have studied for so long. That's how life goes.

 

According to Paul these leaders were put there by God and are to be obeyed. One of the leaders Paul is referring to is Caesar and Caesar believed himself to be half God. Caesar did not recognize the authority of the God of the Jews.

Once again you are making stuff up that conflicts with what the Bible says.

Get a grip.

 

cupid's post didn't say the Messiah was not to die, he said the prophet was not to die.

Furthermore according to Scripture which is the Word of God, it was prophesied the Messiah would die and rise on the 3rd day.

While there is no single passage that says directly that the Messiah will rise again on the third day, there are passages that, by the Jewish manner of interpretation, imply that.

Refer to Isaiah 53 and Hosea 6:1-3, these passages imply that the Messiah will rise again on the third day.

Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said:

"And he said, "Yes, it was written long ago that the Messiah would suffer and die and rise from the dead on the third day."---Luke 24:46 NLT

Note: Jesus was speaking to His disciples sometime after His resurrection from the dead. Imagine these disciples seeing the risen Christ after knowing He was crucified and dead for three days. Scripture tells us they were frightened at first and thought they were seeing a ghost...understandably so.

But our Lord calmed them down and assured them He wasn't a ghost, then their fright turned to happiness and joy!