Part 34 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

God's not some mushbrained pol-correct lefty social worker!
If people stepped out of line he bust their asses and it serves 'em right, you can argue it out with him when you meet him..

"How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot,....it is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God" (Hebrews 10:29-31)

 

Seeing as it's the festive season let me post this pic as a present to all atheists to show them they might have a place in God's plan after all..-

The atheist conservationist

 

Now you do...

emphasis mine​

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_flat_Earth_societies
After Rowbotham's death, Lady Elizabeth Blount, wife of explorer Sir Walter de Sodington Blount, established a Universal Zetetic Society, whose objective was "the propagation of knowledge related to Natural Cosmogony in confirmation of the Holy Scriptures, based on practical scientific investigation".

In 2004, Daniel Shenton (not related to Samuel[27]) resurrected the Flat Earth Society, basing it around a web-based discussion forum.[28] This eventually led to the official relaunch of the society in October 2009,[29] and the creation of a new Web site, featuring the world's largest public collection of Flat Earth literature and a user-edited encyclopedia.[30] Moreover, the society began accepting new members for the first time since 2001, with musician Thomas Dolby becoming the first member to join the newly reconvened society.[31] As of July 2014, over 500 people have become members.[32] Shenton has also conducted several interviews since the society's relaunch, including in The Guardian newspaper.[12]​

See, you are getting educated.

 

That is so true that the earth could not exist without the sun, that is why our Creator Almighty God created the sun along with the earth on day 1 of creation.

According to the Holy Bible which is the Word of God, the sun and the earth were created on day 1 of creation. I would any day believe what I read in the Holy Bible before I believe any theory put out by scientists who are mere mortals just like the rest of us. I mean we weren't even around when creation started and so anything we have to say about it is just pure speculation, a theory, guesswork.

Well the Holy Bible does say that there will be an end but it doesn't tell us when that will happen.

We read in Scripture:

"But the day of the Lord will come as unexpectedly as a thief. Then the heavens will pass away with a terrible noise, and the very elements themselves will disappear in fire, and the earth and everything on it will be found to deserve judgment."---2 Peter 3:10 NLT

This passage in Scripture is referring to the "end of the world" Everything will be destroyed by fire, the heavens and the earth. This is the culmination of a series of events called "the day of the Lord," the time when God will intervene in human history for the purpose of judgment. At that time, all that God has created, "the heavens and the earth", He will destroy.

 

So why are you saying that the sun predates the earth? That is not a fact, it's a theory/belief, and so it can't be regarded as fact. Are you blowing smoke here?

Likewise there is no factual evidence that the sun predates the earth.

That is not a fact that it would be impossible, this is just your opinion, your belief that it would be impossible. Let's not forget when it comes to the Creator Almighty God nothing is impossible for Him to do. The only thing that God cannot do is act contrary to His own character and nature.

Genesis does explain the beginnings of the universe, it explains to us that in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. But Genesis doesn't explain to us on how God accomplished this super remarkable task but just that in the beginning He created the heavens and the earth. Science gives us a theory that the universe had a beginning but it doesn't explain to us in detail on how this beginning came to be/came about.

Science is not a threat to the belief that God created the heavens and the earth. As a matter of fact science admitted/acknowleged/theorized not too long ago that the universe had a beginning. Prior to this admittance/acknowlegement/theorization those in science had the belief/theory that the universe was eternal, now for most in the scientific community they don't hold on to that belief/theory anymore. They are in agreement with what those desert dwellers had told us all along a long long long time ago in that...the universe had a beginning!

Science can agree with the Holy Bible that the universe had a beginning but it cannot tell us that it's a fact there is no such being as God the Creator who created the heavens and the earth.

So as we see beliefs are not only synonymous with the religious crew but are also synonymous with the scientific crew. And so when you say religious people are in denial, one can also say that the non-religious people are in denial as well.

 

Bible addicts are taught to repeat their Scripture and to pretend that Scripture has an answer for everything. Based on years of listening to what they say and write, I conclude they do not think for themselves.

Perhaps you could try to think for yourself. It's not an easy path, particularly when you have let others fill your brain with religious dogma and related nonsense. Still, it is a worthy effort.

 

Where in the Holy Bible does it say who wrote Genesis?
Where in the Holy Bible does it say how the writer knew what happened in the seven days of creation?

Mitt Ryan's tagline

"I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details." ---- Albert Einstein

"If you study science deep enough and long enough, it will force you to believe in God."---Lord Kelvin (British scientist)​

If you don't believe any theory put out by scientists, why do you quote them in your tagline? Is it to try to impress yourself, and possibly others, that you must be right since even very smart men believed in a god?

Obviously you don't have a clue about what Einstein really believed about your bible:

http://www.christianitytoday.com/gleanings/2008/may/einstein-found-bible-primitive-childish.html

Einstein penned the letter on January 3 1954 to the philosopher Eric Gutkind who had sent him a copy of his book Choose Life: The Biblical Call to Revolt. The letter went on public sale a year later and has remained in private hands ever since.

In the letter, he states: "The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."​

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To clear things up Einstein is quoted as saying, "As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality."

So essentially he is saying there is no certainty in regards to laws of mathematics in relation to reality, in other words if there is no certainty then we are left with theories/speculation/guesswork.

Yes that's the hallmark of a true scientist....theories/speculation/guesswork when it comes to anything regarding the creation of the universe. (i.e. was the earth created before the sun or vice versa or were they created at the same time?)

 

Please don't make stuff up regarding the silly fairy tale.

According to Genesis 1:9-13 God made the Earth, grass, trees and other vegaetation on Day 3.

In Genesis 1:14-19 he made the Sun, moon, and all of the stars on Day 4.

So according to the fairy tale the Earth is the oldest object in the entire universe and plants on Earth existed without sunlight or seasons.

 

Oh look! A post that has no evidence whatsoever to back it up.

Aren't you tired of these silly inanities, yet?

 

Not true. It was a word for word cut and paste including the "Christians counter"
statement. You can find what you posted, word for word, at other sites as well.

You have not shown any knowledge of any kind of biblical study. If anything you've shown
a vast ignorance or an ingrained opinion you've decided to accept.

My information comes from the entire Bible and not a portion. Fortunately it's very
accurate and you've yet to produce valid evidence to the contrary. A lot of cut and paste
dogma from sites that only accept part of the Bible.

Irrelevant.

You've yet to show that, however your post have shown a very closed minded
approach to Scripture. At the very least you have your mind made up prior to
any research. I'm very open to evidence that shows I'm wrong. So far you, nor
anyone else, have been able to produce anything.

And as I've said before, "no you haven't". Your lack of knowledge shows you haven't
at every turn.

You do cut and paste very well.

 

This is meaningless.

I know of nobody who believes the Earth is flat. Besides it's not a Christian belief,
which I believe that's what you're trying to convey.

Now for some education for you. Just because someone who says they're a Christian
says or believes something it doesn't make it a Christian belief.

I know that blows your mind. But that's a fact.

Just to reiterate, I know of nobody who believe the Earth is flat.

 

This is like a poker game where you need a pair of Jacks or better to play. If you knew the fairy tale you would know that the God character bought the crazy coot Abraham's souls for fame and fortune by making the scum bag offer to gut and roast his son from an incestous marriage. In a later passage the God character (another guy) said that he put out a lot of garbage commandments to see if people were stupid enough to follow them. Abraham was. He's one of the most despicable characters in the biblical fairy tale and has no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

A good project for you in 2017 would be to take time to read the fairy tale and make notes on every chapter in your own words. If you do that you may realize that you've been clueless about the fairy tale and its cast of scummy characters. The best one in the entire book is Job. The other ones would have made good ISIS members.

 

I was banned for a while because guys like you couldn't take/handle my responses I gave you and so you cried to the authorities...lol That thread that was shut down wasn't my doing, it was because guys like you weren't acting civil on it and one of the moderators shut it down before its time.

Sorry I have no idea what you mean.

Because I'm overwhelmed with responses being that this is a popular thread, the Best Thread. You got to realize since this is thread 34 I have had numerous replies/comments/questions. Some members on one reply post might have several questions wanting my answers, then there are also numerous comments that at times I need to respond to them especially if I see some kind of error in them, I need to respond to them to correct the poster.

Here let's do some simple math. Every prior thread I started have been closed because they exceed the reply limit which is 750. So just by taking that figure of 750 and multiplying it by 34 you come out with 25,500 replies which is a rough estimate. So as you can see it's pretty much impossible not to be behind unless you're a machine working 24/7...lol

That's your biased opinion but no it's not a troll thread but in fact it's the Best Thread! A thread that you and others continually come to.

Sorry but I have never agreed with anyone on that statement...."all the babies, children, and fetuses were cannibalized"...no way, not me. If it's not written in Scripture explicity then I would not make a statement as such nor would I agree to it.

But you know it's obvious you forgot a certain member's post to you...what's his name?...the guy that's always getting banned...oh yeah that member named Gorn Captain. He once told you that I didn't agree or something to the effect that I didn't buy into that statement of all children, babies, and fetuses being cannibalized in The Great Food of Noah.

He told you that because I responded to one of his questions regarding that statement and I pretty much made it clear to him that I was not in agreement with that statement.

So c'mon now you got to be on the ball here, so you don't go spreading around false accusations.

I don't have anger issues...I am cool, calm, collected... you must be referring to that other guy...what's his name?

 

I do love your 'logic'.

As a Christian my mind was 'made up' for Christianity. So how could it be 'made up' for supporting Jewish Scriptures before studying.

I suggest you are the one whose mind is made up without any study. See red above. He who knows all.

If I keep posting to you I will post the book title with my claims. You can read them. Some are old but still available in libraries. If you're in the UK and your local library hasn't got it some University libraries carry copies they lend to other libraries. But of course, you know it all, so you won't bother.

An author has the advantage of using as much paper as needed to expand his/her main points in detail. He/she also has the luxury of knowing that interested parties will return at leisure to complete the book. On the internet forums we do not have that luxury. Neither does a preacher.
One of the first things I learnt is the necessity to study and take in what I was to say, and use as little notes as possible. The secret of successfully getting things over to an audience/congregation is Eye Contact. That means hours of study, and preaching with just 'headlines' to keep on track. I've heard too many talks and sermons read from sheets of notes and Modern devices with little eye contact and a fidgety congregation.

I bow to your superior knowledge Oh Master of all things.

 

Sure. And the post that you told me to keep my cool, was deleted. Due to it being angry and against the rules.
What other untrue stories do you have?
Besides all the posts in these thread.

One of the most popular parts of this thread was when it was claimed that all children, babies, and fetuses were cannibalized during Noah's flood days. You do remember those laughing at the idea. It was some good entertainment watching you during that debate that went on for almost 2 yrs.
One of the best truths put out in these threads. Speaking of truths. LOL.

 

It wasn't me who made any claim of all babies, children, fetuses being cannibalized. Below is the post that your buddy told you that I wasn't in agreement with that claim.

 

Um Gorn isn't a buddy. A bit of a loose cannon. He has been banned permanently. There's no credibility there.
You were all gushy with WanRen. That can be proved, even how many times you liked his posts regarding the cannibalizing. You and he were like 2 peas in a pod.

Anyway, you're taking your thread OT. So we need to end this.

 

Nope, sorry but you're making stuff up with no evidence such as quotes of mine. When you want to prove something on these forums of what a member says you have to bring up their quotes. You have no quote of mine expressing my liking the statement regarding cannibalism. Here below is my quote answering one of Gorn Captains post:

 

Enough said. Your words. You could not say it was absolute silliness.

 

Here we are at 700 plus posts. I don't think I've seen one question answered in a clarifying way. What I have seen is a lot of bravado and preaching.

 

What is so silly about what I said? Are you misinterpreting what you are reading again?...it appears you are....so silly I'd say! Gorn Captain your buddy interpreted it correctly, he told you that I didn't buy into that statement that all babies were cannibalized. If it's not explicitly written in Scripture then it would be false to claim it to be true. Keep this quote in your notebook for future reference. I'm done with this cause I have much more work to do with other questions/comments/replies from Part 9 that I'm almost finish with. I will soon be moving on to Part 10...whew!

 

You did buy into it, you said it was possible. Well you said you can't rule it out. So therefore it was possible.

And the ridiculous claim was/is: Every child, baby, and fetus. 100%

 

Einstein was quoted saying "As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality."

http://www.einstein-quotes.com/Mathematics.html

 

Yes indeed, Einstein did say that. He meant that if you believe without question whatever those in power tell you, you will never know the truth.

How can you say that? You are blindly saying something without any evidence/proof. What makes you think that we never questioned/researched what we read in Scripture? There are over 2 billion practicing Christians worldwide are you going to include them all as having blind respect for the authority of a book or a religion? That is so ludicrous I must admit!