Part 35 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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  1. Maxwell

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    There is the biblical definition of faith. Hebrews 11:1.
     
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    How bizarre of you to draw the conclusion that I just proved anything when all I did was quote passages from the bible.



    2. Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female​
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    So your contention is that, of the seven animals like lions and bears and horses, five were either sacrificed or used as food by animals like camels and pigs and lizards.
     
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    So you are saying that god plopped all of them near the Ark so Noah could pick and choose and load them on board.


    Alternatively god could have just plucked the desired number and kinds of animals into limbo while he horrifically drowned innocent children and infants and then returned them forty days later.

    Alternatively god could have just zapped everything except the desired number and kinds of animals and Noah and his family out of existence painlessly.
     
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    The Bible says they were used for sacrifice and food. What does Genesis 6:20 say?
     
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    It takes one hell of a lot of faith to believe 7 people managed to shovel the poop of millions of animals over the side of a 4 mile long boat.

    Just the animals from Africa would keep the busy all day, every day for 40 days.
     
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    Don't you know? Noah only had "kinds" of animals on the Ark. Not every species.

    Then after they got off the Ark, all those kinds underwent a kind of super evolution and incredibly rapid migrations in order to create the diversity we have today.

    And of course, the fact that this has zero evidence won't stop creationists from parroting it.
     
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    Wait a sec here...I thought evolution was fake.
     
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    My God can do anything above and beyond what the mind of man can imagine. Einstein said pretty much the same thing. Great minds think alike.
     
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    Unless it's super-evolution used as handwavium to bypass the absurdity of having every species on the Ark!

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    Then you can't claim science supports the Bible. You don't get to have it both ways. It's either science or hand wavy magic.
     
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    A biblical reference does not alter the fact that for centuries the word "faith" in the English language has two different meanings, just as the word "read" has two different meanings.

    Your Hebrews version...
    ...is similar to the second definition
    ...but it does not negate the first...
    ...and it certainly does not allow you to conflate the two.

    Now that that is cleared up...
    ...why didn't you address my comments?
     
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    Science most certainly supports the bible. The very girst verse is pure science.
     
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    Albert Einstein said nothing of the sort and stating such a thing is not only dishonest but pathetic.
    "Einstein expressed his skepticism regarding an anthropomorphic deity, often describing it as "naïve" and "childlike". He stated, "It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I feel also not able to imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere. My views are near those of Spinoza: admiration for the beauty of and belief in the logical simplicity of the order which we can grasp humbly and only imperfectly. I believe that we have to content ourselves with our imperfect knowledge and understanding and treat values and moral obligations as a purely human problem—the most important of all human problems."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_and_philosophical_views_of_Albert_Einstein
     
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    Except it not. "Let there be light" is not in any way an accurate description of the Big Bang.
     
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    https://answersingenesis.org/physics/spacetime/

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    Look at these quotes.
    http://sillysutras.com/httpsillysutras-comeinsteins-belief-in-god-as-universal-intelligence/
     
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    Here is what Einstein actually wrote about your god and your bible.

    It's really silly how many Creationists like to pretend that Einstein believed in the Christian version of God and the Christian Bible.
     
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    He also wrote this.
    http://sillysutras.com/httpsillysutras-comeinsteins-belief-in-god-as-universal-intelligence/

    Never said Einstein believed in Christianity or the bible. I am saying Einstein believed in a Spirit and Intelligence in the universe. That's fact.
     
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    I don't understand. Even many skeptics admit Jesus existed and shook the priestly classes to their core. Whose side you on, his or the priests?
     
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    You could always present your point of view.
     
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    I am an agnostic atheist. I regard the Big Bang Theory is likely being accurate regarding the first few moments AFTER the expansion of the already existent universe began expanding from the singularity.
     
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    I believe God is eternal and created time, space and matter. "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth". Time, space and matter.
     
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    That's great. Call me back when you have objective evidence to support your claim this god exists.
     
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    Oh, there will never be enough evidence for some people. I stopped playing that game a long time ago.
     
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    It wouldn't take very much evidence, but that evidence needs to be objectively verifiable and without another likely explanation. Which means I don't take personal testimony, visions, or 2,000 year old books of mythology as proof.
     
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    Of course.
     
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