Part 35 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

At the same time, I don't understand why other people do selectively accept that evidence. There are plenty of Hindus and Zoroastrians who throughout history have claimed personal revelation and visions and they have ancient texts too.

Why would you reject their evidence but accept Christianity's?

 

Because Christinity isn't a religion like the ones you mention. There is a devil and he is very religious. Islam is very religious. I know Jesus is alive because I've experienced his presence and power in my life. Before I was filled with the Spirit, the bible was just a religious book that I couldn't understand. After being filled with the Holy Spirit the Bible words jumped off the page and became clear.

 

Muslims claim to experience Allah. How is that any different?

How do you know your perceptions were not mistaken or badly interpreted due to previous religious indoctrination?

There's a billion Christians in the world. Why don't they all have the same interpretation of the texts if the "Holy Spirit" causes the meaning to be clear?

 

all depends on what you mean by plopped. animals migrate all the time from one continent to another some times why is that something so unbelievable.

In a sense He did, they where lifted up above the earth, above the waters, and it was much longer than forty days. they where afloat for about a year and a half.

and as far as innocent souls:

Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.



Gen 8:20 And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar. 21 And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.


no mention of innocents here, according to the One who made mankind, and all things seen and unseen.

actually He did, using the things He already had in place, He just didn't do it the way you suggest. as far as painlessly, this wasn't a mercy killing you know. these that were washed away so to speak, every imagination of the thoughts of their hearts were only evil continually. so, mercy wasn't an issue.

how did the Lord God tell Moses;
Exo_33:19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.

so its according to His Judgement.

 

Allah is the devil and Mohammad is a false prophet. Allah demands killing the unbeliever. My God says to love the unbeliever. I Believe Jesus because he is alive. I know he's alive. I never had religious indoctrination. I was totally lost. Christians agree on the basics. Jesus is the Son of God, died for our sins, rose from the dead. All Christians agreee on that.

 

Yes, your God loves the unbeliever so much he'll torture them forever. That's definitely love.

Where does Jesus live? If he's alive, I want to visit him and ask him some questions.

How is your stance on Islam any different from the Hindu stance regarding Jesus and the christian god? Why wasn't Jesus a false prophet?

 

God doesn't torture people. I'm sure you know that hell is a choice. If someone rejects salvation, they made the choice, not God. You know that. You know how you get to visit Jesus. Jesus fulfilled Scripture and prophesy.

 

Hell is a choice in the same way it's a choice when I walk up to you on the street, put a gun in your face, and demand your money or I'm going to kill you. When you "choose" not to give me money, you "choose" to die and thus your death is a suicide.

The Bible CLAIMS Jesus fulfilled prophecy.

 

Offer of eternal life with God is nothing comparable to armed robbery. Insane analogy.

 

Yeah, and they did it with the same people who lived before the flood in the same countries that existed before the flood. Best case of resurrection ever!

 

In your opinion which is the more credible, the Old or the New Testament?

 

Eternal life spent praising god or go to hell and get tortured is just as a coercive non-choice as give me money or die.

Neither are real choices.

 

The Noah's Ark story has to be the most silliest story of all time if anyone takes it literally. Imagine all of those animals cooped up in a dark enclosed space for over a year without any appropriate food and water. Plus all of their waste products. Then, when it finally lands and they finally leave the boat they would still have no food or fresh water.

 

Both are the Word of God.

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Doesn't really matter for you.

 

You are committing a number of logical fallacies.

1) If God created hell, an people are tortured in hell then ... God tortures people.
2) Just because someone rejects some tenet of a religious belief that you think leads to salvation does not mean that person has chosen to go to hell. Many people are simply not aware of the choice that you refer to.

This is further complicated by the fact that Christianity itself is conflicted over which is the correct salvation formulation (never mind those from other religions). Catholic/Orthodox have a works based salvation formulation while Protestantism has "Sola Fide" - Salvation by faith alone.

Given that there is no clear salvation formulation - it would then make God an irrational, illogical monster for torturing people because they picked the wrong door.

It is also an abomination to torture a baby - who has obviously not made any choice for salvation.

You do not seem to have thought through what you are saying.

No, I don't and you do not know either. As stated previously even the Church has not figured out the answer to this question.

Not according to the Jews ... and after all it is their prophesy.

Then we have the fact that the prophecy of Jesus "that the apocalypse would come during the lifetime of those listening to him" did not happen.

 

So since you believe there is a hell and God sends people there, why wouldn't you choose His way to avoid hell?

 

In the Old Testament is says that God gave Moses the Law personally, face to face.

In the New Testament it says that God gave some angels the Law and that the angels then passed the Law on down.

So doesn't that seem that one is lying?

 

Nope. That's easily explained and I suspect it has been explained to you before. You can research that very easily.

 

It does matter so long as Christians keep using this tired illogical lie that people "choose" to go to hell.

 

Too bad. We have free speech in this country.

 

I saw it in the horse's mouth. One, or both, of them is lying.

 

The devil is lying.

 

I do not think you read my post very well.

I explained in my post the fact that that the Christian Church itself disagrees on what "His way" actually is.
Never mind outside the Christian Church.

You go around claiming to speak for Jesus/God (by putting words in his mouth and/or making defacto claims about how one avoids hell) but, you do not seem to understand the basics.

My understanding of what Jesus refers to as the unforgivable sin = Speaking for God/putting words in God's mouth.

The passage is unclear so I could be wrong. You better hope so.

 

No, the unforgivable sin is turning away after knowing God's salvation. I speak God's Word. That's not speaking for God. God's way is faith in Jesus, period.

 

You are not speaking God's word. You are speaking man made dogma and claiming it is God's word.

I noticed you avoided the fact that you did not realize that there are conflicting salvation formulations in Christianity. Is this some kind of denial/avoidance mechanism kicking in ?

This is the "Sola Fide" doctrine. Salvation by faith alone. While this is one path to salvation according to man made dogma - the one put forth by Martin Luther - and adopted by Protestant Christianity, this is not the only, nor the dominant/majority perspective.

Catholic and Orthodox do not accept "Sola Fide".

Neither did James (brother of Jesus and leader of the Church of Jerusalem) who addressed the "Salvation by faith alone" doctrine directly.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James+2&version=NIV

James is speaking about God's "judgement"/salvation and the requirement of works. A topic directly related to the topic of salvation which he will get into next.

"14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them?"

James asks the question directly. Unfortunately for you - at least according to James and the Jesus of Matt - Faith without works is dead/usless.

One needs good works according to James. James even goes as far as to call those that are promoting the "salvation by faith alone doctrine" such as you have done, "Fools/Foolish". Strong words.

According to James - "Faith alone" - the doctrine you are promoting- is useless. You can believe in "one God/one Jesus son of God" all you like ... good for you - even demons believe that.

Such a faith is "USELESS" according to the James.

You on the other hand claim that your "Faith Alone" doctrine is not just your belief but the "Word of God".

You do not know that this doctrine is the word of God. Jesus warns not to swear by even the hair on your head never mind speak on God's behalf ... and this is exactly what you are doing.