Part 39 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

You arewrong.. onevery point.. your idea that these people were so primative is wrong.. they certainly weren't for their times.. and the distances coveerd.. do you consider yourself a scholar on the Mideast of the time..esp Israel?) were short.. and considering the miracles of theloaves andfishes.. feeding the 5 thousand..yes..I think that woould be wellrememebered after a decade or more. itwas a miracle! And you might figure.. writing and the materials for doing so were very expensive.. most people could memorize large tracts , in fact , the scholars of the times could recite the Pentateuch in it's entirety..

What is wrong with you Trevor? Why do you come to attack believers? What difference could it possibly make to you? If you were a minister it is good you no longer are, because you were never a Christian.

 

You really are INDOCRINATED. And yes I do know the Israel of the time. Distances were not that short when you had to walk. Nazareth to Jerusalem was 2-3 days journey by foot, not the 90 minutes by car today. The area mentioned in Matt. 4:25 is several hundred square miles. People in that area heard about Jesus and travelled all those distances to hear him?

People of the time did not have the wherewithall to do all this travelling. Most lived on the subsistence level, or below it. Surviving was the important thing. Earning to buy the essentials. The Bible doesn't tell you that. History does.

And your evidence that scholars could recite the entire Pentateuch? Can you remember last Sundays sermon verbatim after just one week? Could Shakespeare recite all his plays verbatim. After all, he wrote them.

Your evidence for miracles?

We know what's going on in the next village today because of modern transport, modern media. There was none of that in those days. By the time news of Jesus had filtered through to one city that Jesus was in a certain place, Jesus would have moved on.

People didn't travel far unless necessary. And usually in groups because of bandits. One of Jesus group carried a sword we are told. The Good Samaritan was probably based on a true story. The rocky cliff road from Jerusalem down to Jericho was a favourite place for robbery.

Why do you come to attack believers?

If you believe people are being fooled do you not put forward you view?

 

You really are INDOCRINATED. And yes I do know the Israel of the time. Distances were not that short when you had to walk. Nazareth to Jerusalem was 2-3 days journey by foot, not the 90 minutes by car. The area mentioned in Matt. 4:25 is several hundred square miles. People heard about Jesus and travelled all those distances to hear him?
And your evidence that scholars could recite the entire Pentateuch? Can you remember last Sundays sermon verbatim after just one week?
People didn't leave their own village except when necessary. Palestine was not the safe place the Bible would seem to indicate. They usually travelled in groups. Even one of Jesus followers carried a sword.
Most people lived on the subsistence level or below so they did not have the time to travel to hear itinerant speakers. They needed to work to provide food and other essentials. You really don't understand. The Bible gives you nothing of that.
We rely on modern media, modern transport. They had none of that. News was spread by word of mouth. Official news by posters in the village.
We read that Jesus went up into a mountain to speak to the multitude. Did he have a microphone? After all it was in the open air. Or was it repeated by word of mouth down the slopes.

Undoubtedly if the feeding of the 5000 actually occured it would be remembered. But that is not remembering, verbatim, the Sermon on the Mount after 5 decades. Do you remember last Sundays sermon today - 2 daya later?
Yes I do know something of Palestine in Jesus time.

Why do you come to attack believers?

If you believe some is being fooled into believing something wrong - do you not put your view. I assume you've read the points I've made to Mitt - which he has failed to answer.

 

Pardon to butt in .. but .. Brother Todd - who are you to say that Trevor Never was a Christian ? Who made you the arbiter of what is and is not a Christian .. and in fact through our conversations you have not been able to articulate what being a Christian is .. should I wish to follow the teachings of Jesus .. what those teachings are .. and how I might achieve salvation .. and last but perhaps most important .. what is the name of the God we are worshiping .. the God of Jesus .. referred to as "The Father" .. God of Abraham .. "The Christian God"

When I pray Our Father who art in Heaven -- to which God is my prayer directed ? How can you call yourself a Christian Brother Todd - if you can not testify to the name of your God ?

Perhaps you need take log out of own eye - "because you were never a Christian" ?? .. Your words Brother Todd -- is it your own failure with which you are trying to tar Brother Trev...

 

What is a Christian Todd? Simply one who accepts the Bible is true. That Jesus was the Son of God. You have no evidence other than that which is written in a book. I used to believe, but have since discovered that 'the religious evidence' is based on human opinions, not actual evidence. So are all religious books whether they be the Bible, Quran, BOM. While the material world may be evident and proveable, the spiritual world is not. Not even to Mormons.

If 'spiritual' experiences were from god, then he changes his mind too often.

'Religious/spiritual experiences' are not only found in Western religions but in Eastern religions/philosophies where devotees actually meet with, talk to their god.

For some people a vivid nightmare in which they seem to die can affect their lives for a long time in fear of dying. For others a 'spiritual' experience can give a sense of peace which can affect them for the rest of their lives, or can fade as lifes realities take over. This all depends on the personality of the person and its underlying, sometimes unconscious, need. One thing religion/christianity does is give one a belief in a hereafter and relieves the fear of dying.

 

The Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost brings all true things to recollection and understanding, in spite of the barriers of time, distance, age, or misinterpretations, and lays it out anew in order and reason. It is also the spirit of prophecy. Trevor, on the other hand, without even being there two thousand years ago, has rewritten the entire matter according to his own research and opinion, as if none of it were true according to his anti spirit.

 

So have the Mormons. Were they there 600BCE when some middle eastern people sailed the atlantic and landed in the USA. or when a Moron - i visited Smith. Study of the ancient world and ancient Hebrews and Judaism recorded both in the Bible and extrabiblically allows one to have an understanding of the OT. It was written by the Hebrews, for the Hebrews. They did not even understand the need of someone to save them from their sins. Original sin did not come into any belief until the 2nd century CE. They were born sinless and were responsible for their own sins and repentance. Thus the Days of Awe and Yom Kippur.
Why would anyone in the OT write any 'prophecy' for the future Christian Messiah? They didn't need one. Their sins were dealt with every year according to God given instructions. All they needed was an anointed one to lead them to an earthly victory. A charismatic human being. Unless, of course, you class the OT as early science fiction. Christianity has to ignore Judaism to form its own beliefs yet use the OT for its basic Christian beliefs.

 

What? Well, I guess I spoke to soon, I thought you had made some progress but now you're back to "there are no prophecies in the OT" lol

Truth is, you are simply flip-flopping all over the place being inconsistent which illustrates confusion on your part.

Let's recap what has transpired. On Jan 19, 2023, you are quoted saying:

Then on March 28, 2023, you are quoted saying:

Then on March 30, 2023, you are quoted saying:

No trev, everyone can see by your posts you have been inconsistent. I, myself, have always been consistent in that I have always said there are prophecies in the Bible and that many have been fulfilled.

Matter of fact here are some that I will present, there are many more but a few here will suffice to drive home the point that there are indeed prophecies in the Bible.

Genesis 3:15 -This is the First Prophecy-The First Gospel that Lord Jesus fulfilled when He offered His life on the cross and rose from the dead obtaining the ultimate triumph over the enemy
Genesis 22:18 – All the nations would be blessed through Abraham’s offspring
Numbers 24:17 – Jesus would be from the line of Jacob
Isaiah 11:1 – Jesus would be from the line of Jesse
Jeremiah 23:5-6 – Jesus would be from the line of David
Micah 5:2 – Jesus would be born in Bethlehem
Isaiah 7:14 – Jesus would be born from a virgin
Isaiah 9:6-7 – A child would be born and the government would be on his shoulders
Psalm 72:10 – Jesus would be worshipped and given gifts at his birth
Jeremiah 31:15 – King Herod would murder children in an attempt to kill Jesus
Hosea 11:1 – Joseph would be warned to take Jesus to Egypt for a time to protect him.
Psalm 40:6-8 – Jesus would be the perfect sacrifice
Psalm 78:1-2 – Jesus would teach using parables
1 Samuel 2:35 – God would raise up a faithful priest
2 Samuel 7:12-13 – Jesus’ Kingdom would be eternal
Isaiah 6:9-10 – Those who heard Jesus’ parables would not understand
Isaiah 9:1-2 – The ministry of Jesus would begin in Galilee
Isaiah 40:3-4 – Jesus’ ministry would be preceded by a voice calling in the desert
Isaiah 42:1-4 – Jesus’ message of salvation would also extend to the Gentiles
Isaiah 53:3 – Jesus would be despised and rejected
Isaiah 61:1 – Jesus would be the anointed on to proclaim good news to the poor
Zechariah 9:9 – The King would come riding on a donkey
Zechariah 11:13 – Jesus would be betrayed for 30 pieces of silver
Exodus 12:21-23 – Jesus would be the Passover Lamb
Exodus 12:46, Numbers 9:12 – None of Jesus’ bones would be broken
Leviticus 17:11 – Jesus would die and pour out his blood for the atonement of sins
Numbers 21:9 – Jesus would be lifted up
Psalm 16:10 – Jesus would not be abandoned to the dead
Psalm 22:1 – Jesus would be forsaken
Psalm 22:8 – Jesus would be mocked
Psalm 22:15 – Jesus’ mouth would be dry
Psalm 22:16 – Jesus’ hands and feet would be pierced
Psalm 22:18 – Lots would be cast for Jesus’ clothes
Psalm 31:5 – Jesus would commit his spirit to God
Psalm 68:18 – Jesus would ascend to heaven
Psalm 69:21 – Jesus’ would be given vinegar for his thirst

What I have presented illustrates that Lord Jesus the Messiah fulfilled so many prophecies concerning His birth, life, ministry, death, and resurrection. These fulfilled prophecies could not have been fabricated in any way. They could have only been fulfilled by the one who is sovereign over all of creation, God incarnate, Jesus Christ. These fulfilled prophecies help to give hope, joy, trust, security, faith, and encouragement to all who read and understand them.

Ok thanks trev for your inconsistent posts.

 

Say what you think and believe. I personally know that God is real, that he lives and is divine. I know that true life is in him, not in ourselves or in our own mortal lives. I know this from the visitation of his spirit who awakened me to a remembrance of him. That's why I refer to this mortal life as a dream. And why being awakened to a remembrance of God is like waking from a dream which you dream while you sleep. Then you recognize your life in the morning and leave the dream behind to go about the business of living, working and so forth in you daily existence. So life in God is to this life as this life is to a dream.

Gods spirit came to me in the middle of the day when I was wide awake. And yet he awakened me to his holiness, poured the milk and honey of his peaceable spirit to my heart, and filled my mind with light and a vision. Though I was thick in ignorance and pride and with a life filled with sins, yet he made not even a hint of condemnation of me. All he did was love me and bless me. So by his spirits divine presence and knowledge of me, dwelling for a time in my heart, soul, and mind. Therefore I know God to be divine and to live. What is curious to me is that I could remember his spirit, even though I never knew him in the course of my entire life. It was like I knew him from eternity, and had just then remembered him. Yet my remembrance was by the strength and fullness of his spirit, until I could conceive a remembrance. So it was by his allowance rather than anything of myself that I have come to know that God lives.

 

Of COURSE they could be fabricated. Where do you get the idea that they could not?

 

Mitt. For all your efforts you still don't get the point. The Jews did not require a Saviour. Why would prophecy in their scriptures be of any relevance. Jahweh had given Jews the formula for forgiveness of sins. Days of Awe and Yon Kippur.

All you have quoted have absolutely no relevance. They do not mention Jesus. Jesus may have 'fulfilled' examples of people in the OT, but then the same could be said about him 'fulfilling' things mentioned in scriptures not related to Christianity or Judaism.

For all your postulations there is no mention of Jesus in the OT. Paul also fulfilled some of the characteristics of people in the OT but you would not say he was mentioned.

How ever much you claim the fact is that Jesus in not mentioned in the OT.

Tell me where Jesus is mention in Hosea 11.1 as Matthew claims.
Tell me where Jesus is mentioned in Isaiah.

It is all Christian teaching.

Those quotations relate to relevant events. All you have done is taken them out of context.

The story of Jesus - particularly the crucifixion - is simply embellished by quotes from the OT. Psalm 22, for instance. All the Psalm gives are the normal effects of crucifying anyone. The Bible tells us he was nailed to the cross. If he was the nails were not put through his hands but wrists. (v 16) So he couldn't have shown his nail pierced hand to Thomas. What shaped cross was he crucified on? It wasn't until the 2nd century someone decided it was the cross used today. JW's will tell you it was an upright pole, and they may be right. Clothes were a bonus for the Roman soldiers. Crucifixion wasn't a new punishment. It went back 500 years to Xerxes, and possible further.

Thanks for your post. Once again you fail to show any knowledge ot the OT background and teaching.

 

I find it strange that Mitt tells people not to take verses out of context then takes odd verses from everywhere to make a point. Considering some of the verses come from early mythical stories and some from questionable sources like David I find it ironic. What desperate people will do to make a point.
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Holy what a horrible joke batman .. what has gotten into you Brother Mitt .. posting this garbage from that that pit of deceiver site you have come to love and worship .. substituting the words of these deceivers .. for the word of our Lord.

Complete purile nonsense .. none of the Psalmists knew anything about Jesus .. none were writing songs about Jesus .. these songs were their litergy sang in the Temples -- and have ZERO to do with worship of Jesus..

This is a monstrous pile of heretical nonsense you have found Brother Mitt -- This is not "The Truth - The Way - The Light" but the work of darkness and deceit .. turn around from the dark side .. telling falsehoods about Christ and his mission.

It is a nasty term but "Lying for Jesus" sums up the Sin of those who constantly present falsehoods about Jesus .. somehow thinking this will please Jesus .. and in fact doing so in the name of Jesus.

As we read in Scripture - beware of the Wolves in Sheeps Clothing .. you will know them by thier fruit .. thrown into the fire will they be.

Woo to the blasphemers - commiters of the unforgivable sin.

 

Obviously, atheists believe the Bible is fabricated but for believers the Bible is truly God's Word.

Didn't you already know that?

Here, let me present a video presentation from my favorite Christian Ministry that thoroughly answers the question, "Is the Bible truly God's Word.



Ok thanks Nwolfe for your post, I hope you now have a clear insight/discernment as to why believers such as myself are able to make statements such as, "These fulfilled prophecies could not have been fabricated in any way".

 

What a load of tripe. We are simply back to Christian teaching. I've already shown you problems which you ignore, and which your favourite website also ignores. And Pauls admonition to Timothy applies to the only scriptures available at the time - the OT.

 

In life we judge by our natural senses, to which, talk of God seems foolish. But it is only foolish due to our limited capacity, being greatly retarded by our mortal state. If we violate the laws of science, even once, there's a very good chance we suffer and die. But if we violate the laws of God, though we violate them in perpetuity, yet he extends to us his favor and lengthens our days, that perhaps we might come to understanding and be made greater in goodness. So science is merciless, but God is merciful. We violate Gods laws by being cruel, unforgiving, unapologetic, proud, merciless, selfish, stiff necked, contentious, lustful, hateful, deceitful, faultfinding, unbelieving, and so forth. These things are spirit. And they are the spirit of the devil. But the spirit of God encourages us to be kind, forgiving, repentant, humble, merciful, generous, entreatable, peaceable, chaste, virtuous, honest, charitable, believing and so forth.

 

That's all very well, if there were a god. Unfortunately the emphasised above is found in nature of all kinds - not just humanity.

 

As to Mitts 'interpretation' of the OT 'prophecies' relating to Jesus, I reckon - using that method of phrases lifted out of context from mythical stories - there must be many 'prophecies' in the OT relating to many historical characters - even Trump. How about Achan and his love of money and possessions. Oooops

 

That's silliness.

 

Then study nature.

 

Yet another monstrous falsehood -- one that you know is false - yet continue to repeat - as the decievers are so wont to do - the wolves at the door of the true Path - the way - the light.

Only a small fraction of Christians believe the Bible is 100% Gods word .. and so while these extremist idiologues claim to believe this irrational lunacy -- the vast majority of Christians do not .. nor to rational agnostics or atheists

That is the general public .. for those that have studied Christianity .. the Bible .. with academic rigor of any kind .. almost none would with a straight face claim 100% Gods word .. as in serious circles this would be akin to pronouncing onself a true idiot .. a moron of the highest order .. who is not able to figure out that when you have two different Bibles - and one says "Kill the whore" and the other " Love the whore" .. that one of these two Bibles is not "100% Gods word"

So what ever snake charming deceiver site you got this info from this time Mitt -- was feeding you falsehood--- Straight up.

 

I do get it, I get that you are trying your best to make up stuff, sorry but I'm not going to fall for your nonsense.

What is an astute summing up of a situation? What situation/s? Furthermore, I've never asked you to explain to me the difference between a prophecy and that nonsense you spewed out.

I know what "prophecy" is as it pertains to the Holy Bible. Prophecy at its most basic definition is "a message from God." And He certainly gave mankind lots of vital prophetic messages as written in the Scriptures of His Best-Selling Book of All-Time the Holy Bible.

I along with the other 2 billion or so practicing Christians world-wide do get it, we do get that there are a myriad of prophecies in the Bible. Matter of fact a theologian listed 1,817 prophecies in the Bible. Many prophecies have been fulfilled and many have not been fulfilled as of yet, but they will be as promised by God. It is you that don't get it by your denials of prophecies in the Holy Bible.

And because we Christians have absolute faith in God fulfilling these prophecies, we can be assured that He will fulfill the rest of the prophecies in Scripture, there is no doubt about that. God is not a man and so He does not lie. He is not human, so He does not change His mind.

We Read in Scripture:

19 God is not a man, so he does not lie.
He is not human, so he does not change his mind.
Has he ever spoken and failed to act?
Has he ever promised and not carried it through? Numbers 23:19 NLT

Again, it's people like you the unbelievers who don't get it, truth is you're all in denial of what's written in the Scriptures of the Holy Bible.

The world would... what?... in the year 2823?

Let's get this straight trev, my favorite Christian Ministry is not in the business of proclaiming prophecy outside of the Bible, in other words they do not make up their own personal beliefs/prophecies but what they do is support/collaborate with what's already written in the Scriptures of the Holy Bible.

But let's say just for argument's sake they made up a prophecy, well believers such as myself for one would not take them seriously, I would not believe their unbiblical prophecy.

Let's not forget the Holy Bible is a completed Sacred Book and all the prophecies from God are written in it, there are no more prophecies coming from God, the Canon of Scripture is done, nothing more is needed to add to it. Anybody today who declares a prophecy coming from God is lying and making it up.

Again, I repeat, prophecy at its most basic definition is "a message from God."

Says who?...you..an atheist? lol sorry but that was funny trev.

Obviously, the atheist in you made it up.

Almighty God has His own timetable on when a prophecy will be fulfilled. We who are living today are able to see all the prophecies that have been fulfilled in the Bible which has affected us profoundly in a positive way that assures us that the Bible is indeed the Word of God, in that God keeps His word, His promises that He has made.

We believers are patiently waiting for the promise God made to us in that Lord Jesus will return to this earth for His Second Coming. It's been a little over 2,000 years since His First Coming and so your made-up rule that a prophecy must relate to the time and not be 800 years in the future is again made-up nonsense.

I know unbelievers have said, "It's been over 2000 years, and He is not ever coming back". as if that is the proof He doesn't exist to these unbelievers.

Well, actually in the Lord's timetable, in the Lord's perspective, He has only been gone for a little over 2 days.

We Read in Scripture:

8 But you must not forget this one thing, dear friends: A day is like a thousand years to the Lord, and a thousand years is like a day. 2 Peter 3:8 NLT

Time is an issue with people but not with Almighty God because He has an unlimited amount of it. This is the concept of the verse, both a day and a thousand years are such miniscule amounts of time to Almighty God that it really makes no difference to Him.

And so, the Lord Jesus is coming soon.

We Read in Scripture:

Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,

42 “So you, too, must keep watch! For you don’t know what day your Lord is coming. 43 Understand this: If a homeowner knew exactly when a burglar was coming, he would keep watch and not permit his house to be broken into. 44 You also must be ready all the time, for the Son of Man will come when least expected. Matthew 24:42-44 NLT

Besides the Second Coming of Lord Jesus that hasn't been fulfilled yet there are others that also haven't been fulfilled yet such as the rapture of the church.

We Read in Scripture:

16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, the believers who have died[a] will rise from their graves. 17 Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. Then we will be with the Lord forever. 1 Thessalonians 4:16–17 NLT

Footnotes
a. 4:16 Greek the dead in Christ.

Then there is the tribulation that hasn't been fulfilled yet.

We Read in Scripture:

Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,

15 “The day is coming when you will see what Daniel the prophet spoke about—the sacrilegious object that causes desecration [a] standing in the Holy Place.” (Reader, pay attention!) 16 “Then those in Judea must flee to the hills. 17 A person out on the deck of a roof must not go down into the house to pack. 18 A person out in the field must not return even to get a coat. 19 How terrible it will be for pregnant women and for nursing mothers in those days. 20 And pray that your flight will not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For there will be greater anguish than at any time since the world began. And it will never be so great again. 22 In fact, unless that time of calamity is shortened, not a single person will survive. But it will be shortened for the sake of God’s chosen ones. Matthew 24:15-22 NLT

Footnotes
a. 24:15 Greek the abomination of desolation. See Dan 9:27; 11:31; 12:11.

Then there is the resurrections of the saved and the unsaved that hasn't been fulfilled yet.

We Read in Scripture:

20 But in fact, Christ has been raised from the dead. He is the first of a great harvest of all who have died.
21 So you see, just as death came into the world through a man, now the resurrection from the dead has begun through another man. 22 Just as everyone dies because we all belong to Adam, everyone who belongs to Christ will be given new life. 23 But there is an order to this resurrection: Christ was raised as the first of the harvest; then all who belong to Christ will be raised when he comes back. 1 Corinthians 15:20–23 NLT

Then there is the millennial (1000 yrs.) reign of Lord Jesus that hasn't been fulfilled yet.

We Read in Scripture:

4 Then I saw thrones, and the people sitting on them had been given the authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony about Jesus and for proclaiming the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his statue, nor accepted his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They all came to life again, and they reigned with Christ for a thousand years. Revelation 20:4 NLT

Then there is the restoration of Israel that hasn't been fulfilled yet.

We Read in Scripture:

26 And so all Israel will be saved. As the Scriptures say,
“The one who rescues will come from Jerusalem,[a]
and he will turn Israel away from ungodliness.
27 And this is my covenant with them,
that I will take away their sins.”[c] Romans 11:26-27 NLT

Footnotes
a. 11:26a Greek from Zion.
b. 11:26b Greek Jacob.
c. 11:26-27 Isa 59:20-21; 27:9 (Greek version).

Then there is the new heavens and new earth that hasn't been fulfilled yet.

We Read in Scripture:

The New Jerusalem

21 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the old heaven and the old earth had disappeared. And the sea was also gone. Revelation 21:1 NLT

Ok thanks trev for your post, it was a pleasure for me to respond to it.

 

Another load of tripe.

I've already explained the 'astute summing up' of a situation. In the 1930's Europe Germany, under Hitler, was re-arming. Only one man in the UK was astute enough to recognise what was going to happen. He knew Hitler and his character. He listened and saw what Hitler was doing. He warned this country, and Europe, over a ten year period what was going to happen. And he was right. It did happen. WWII started. The UK and other nations had ignored the signs, Churchill hadn't. If we had listened we would have been prepared.
If you study the OT against the actual history Jeremiah saw the danger facing the Northern tribes and warned that they would not prevail against the might of the Assyrian Army. And you know what eventually happened when they ignored him.
The Southern kingdom - which was actually Israel - was ruled by the Babylonians who took over by defeating the Assyrians. And before you start telling me I am wrong, read the History of the time. The Assyrians did not rule the Southern Kingdom but let them rule themselves as long as they paid the Assyrians tribute. When the Babylonians took over the same applied. The Southern kingdom 'belonged' to Babylon, though they ruled themselves and paid tribute. But then they defied the Babylonians by 'signing' an agreement with Babylons enemies - the Egyptians. Isaiah read the situation and warned what would happen. Babylonian armies invaded.
There were no 'prophecies' - just men who could read the situations as they arose.

The whole truth is, Mitt, that you are showing your absolute lack of understanding of the OT and the background and history against which it is written. There are no prophecies in the OT.
You criticise people for taking verses out of context, then spew verses from throughout the OT doing just that. How can anyone take you seriously?
I spoke with someone on the High Street in my town today. They were giving out leaflets. Just like you the person I talked with had no idea of what the OT really said. He couldn't answer my questions - again, just like you.

Don't waste your time showing screeds of useless writing.

21 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the old heaven and the old earth had disappeared. And the sea was also gone. Revelation 21:1 NLT

Actually taken from the Book of Isaiah and the chapter refers it to Israel. John simply uses it and adds Jesus to it.

 

I'm acquainted with nature. I'm also acquainted with God.

 

In animals, nature, the natural world you will find most of these cruel, unforgiving, unapologetic, proud, merciless, selfish, stiff necked, contentious, lustful, hateful, deceitful, faultfinding, unbelieving, and so forth.

If you don't believe me take a walk alone through the wilds of the African Jungle. You'll be a tasty meal for some hungry animal. And they won't ask your permission first or kill you painlessly, apologetically etc. etc. Nature is cruel in many ways and to many things. Nature is cruel when it afflicts you with crippling disease, when earthquakes kill many. All part of Gods creation 'wonderul' creation.