Part 5 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

Why are so many posts so idiotic? Where is the word perfect used? Please show!!!!!
Stop with emotion and use common sense when posting. Or at least breathe, count to 20, then post.

 

That would be nice. Can you do it?

 

Of course that is not what the genesis story is about. The story says a flood killed everything upon the earth. Saying the passages say anything different is a lie.

 

Quote Posted by dairyair:

Believing God of the bible is all powerful is one of the conflicts. As he seems not to be all powerful.
He's been in a war with lucifer/satan for how long? Why so long if he is so all powerful?
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You have a misconception...what else is new? God is omnipotent, satan is not omnipotent. To say God is in a war with satan for a long time is to say God is not all powerful as you have suggested...but as I have stated it is a misconception.

Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ once said something concerning satan's fall from heaven that will help us understand how much power satan has in comparison to our omnipotent God.

When the seventy-two disciples returned, they joyfully reported to Him, "Lord, even the demons obey us when we use your name!" "Yes," He told them, "I saw satan fall from heaven like lightning! Luke 10:17-18 NLT

When Jesus sent out seventy of His disciples to preach and heal, they returned exuberantly to report that even the demons were subject to them in His name.

Jesus informed them that in His pre-incarnate state, He had witnessed a very revealing demonstration of the Father's supreme power over satan.

When the omnipotent (all-powerful) God decreed satan's expulsion from heaven, satan could not resist. Jesus chose the metaphor, like lightning, to emphasixe the speed with which satan fell.

He fell, not like molasses, but like lightning. He didn't fall like a leaf from a tree or a rock from a cliff. Oh no! satan was in heaven one second, and in the next- BOOM!- he was gone!

If God can so quickly and easily expel satan, it should have been no surprise that His commissioned servants could also quickly and easily expel demons.

Previously, those disciples possessed great respect for the horrible power that demons exercised over their victims, but now they had witnessed a far greater power, causing their joyful amazement.

God's power is far, far, far greater than satan's. Let us not forget, God is the Creator, and satan is only a creation.

satan is no match for God. There is absolutely no comparison between God's power and satan's power.

So what war are you talking about? Could an earthworm fight with an elephant? An earthworm might make a very feeble attempt to oppose an elephant, but it could hardly be described as a fight.

satan, like that earthworm, made a feeble attempt to oppose God who is immensely more powerful. His opposition was quickly dealth with, and he was expelled from heaven "like lightning." There was no battle-there was only an expulsion.

 

Have you read through the Ipuwer Papyrus?

 

I would like, purely in the interests of science, to try an experiment using this post, if I may. I'll fiddle around with it a bit and play it back to you, ok? here goes ...

Our Lord Savior Ronald McDonald once said something concerning Hamburglar's fall from the warming tray that will help us understand how much power Hamburglar has in comparison to our omnipotent Ronnie.

When the seventy-two 15 year old trainee managers returned, they joyfully reported to Him, "Ron, even the cleaning staff obey us when we use your name!" "Yes," He told them, "I saw Hamburglar fall from the warming tray like lightning!

When Ron sent out seventy of His staff to wipe down tables and refill napkin dispensers, they returned exuberantly to report that even the customers were subject to expenditure in His name.

Ronnie informed them that in His pre-yellow suit state, He had witnessed a very revealing demonstration of his dad's (The CEO) supreme power over Hamburglar.

When the omnipotent (all-powerful) Dad decreed Hamburglar's expulsion from the store, Hamburglar could not resist. Ronald chose the metaphor, like lightning, to emphasize the speed with which Hamburglar fell.

He fell, not like molasses, but like lightning. He didn't fall like a leaf from a tree or a rock from a cliff. Oh no! Hamburglar was on the warming tray one second, and in the next- BOOM!- he was gone!

If the CEO can so quickly and easily expel Hamburglar, it should have been no surprise that His commissioned servants could also quickly and easily expel stale fries

Previously, those staff possessed great respect for the horrible power that stale fries exercised over their victims, but now they had witnessed a far greater power, causing their joyful amazement.

The CEO's power is far, far, far greater than Hamburglar's. Let us not forget, the CEO is the Creator, and Hamburglar is only a creation.

Hamburglar is no match for the CEO. There is absolutely no comparison between the CEO's power and Hamburglar's power.

 

From your own source:
According to long-term records (since about 1900), we expect about 17 major earthquakes (7.0 - 7.9) and one great earthquake (8.0 or above) in any given year.

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/hazards/qfaults/usmap.php
[video=youtube;CtBXTvtFaCU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtBXTvtFaCU[/video]

[video=youtube;TC_bFRzyaXY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC_bFRzyaXY[/video]

 

My faith is base on truth, yours are base on guess work.

 

So now you accept that the Crusade was precipitated by Muslim aggression, good.

Wow!! a true loyal and devout Muslim, I understand and here is another one for you the reason why Muslim leaders do not allow any Muslims to question the story of Mohammed is because just that, they want to project Mohammed as a holy man not a warlord for what he really was.

Actually, Mohammed died of a painful slow death.

Muhammad died in 632 A.D. He died as a result of being poisoned following his attack upon and conquest of the Jewish settlement of Khaibar. About 2 month before his attack on Khaibar Muhammad failed in an attempt to go to Mecca. This failure resulted in the Treaty of Hudaybiyya with the Meccans. He returned humiliated in the eyes of the Meccans and in the minds of his people. To lift their defeated spirit, Muhammad told his followers that the events at Hudaybiyya were really a victory. In fact, another convenient "revelation" was given to Muhammad as proof that it really was a victory (Sura 48:1). However, Allah was not able to deliver the Meccan's goods as booty, so Muhammad told his followers that they were going to attack and plunder the weaker Jewish settlement of Khaibar.

About 6 weeks later Muhammad led his army and attacked the Jews while they were on their way to work on their date palms. Khaibar was a settlement defended by a number of forts spread apart from each other. One by one Muhammad's army took the forts. Finally, the last few surrendered to him. Muhammad had several of the leaders of the Jewish settlement beheaded, one leader (Kinana) was tortured to reveal where buried treasure was hidden. Then when Kinana was near death, Muhammad commanded that he be beheaded. Many of the women and children were enslaved. Muhammad even took the most beautiful woman for himself and married her (Safiyah).

Some of Khaibar's residents made a deal with Muhammad. Instead of enslaving them, which would leave the rich orchards of Khaibar to go untended and unproductive, the Jews would give Muhammad and the Muslims 1/2 of all of what they produced. Muhammad accepted the deal, with the stipulation that they could be expelled at his slightest whim. Years later, Umar expelled the last remaining Jews from Khaibar.

Immediately following the conquest of Khaibar, a Jewish woman prepared a dinner for Muhammad and some of his men. Unknown to the Muslims was that she had put a poison into the lamb (some say goat) that was served at dinner. Muhammad ate some of the poisoned lamb and died as a result three years later.
http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/mo-death.htm

Your link failed or intentionally skip the whole story because it does not want to upset Muslims and want to continue to distort true history.

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The ignorance is your lack of education in true history and theology. Do you know that Mohammed kept on harassing and raiding Meccan caravans even though the Meccans have been leaving him alone.

When it comes to Muslim-Christian history yes I am saying you are bias because you totally ignore that it was the Muslims who initiated the wars against the Byzantine and then the Christians not the Christians against Muslims.

Read true history.

They were interested in securing the Holy Land, if don't care if Muslim want to kill each other.

Nope they were not secular they were Catholic West and Orthodox East, you are truly not reading my post and only want to distort it is a good thing I am smart and have refuse to fall to your tricky and sneaky traps.

 

No... I'm not an expert on the Bible and no... I'm not a pastor but I can tell you that I am a Christian...a believer in our Lord Savior Jesus Christ.

 

Then the Holy Bible is right and you should stop saying the Noah flood did not happen you said it clearly

 

Theologians have a common understanding and reading of the Holy Bible that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. The reason why there are many denominations is because Christianity respect freedom.

Because the Bible did not said when is the exact date, but you insist that there was no such calamity that the world was very fruitful and peaceful and that empires expand through peaceful means with wars that does not include any killings, massacre or no famine, at all your faith tells you ancient world was a paradise and God was wrong to punish humanity.

Not me, but you are.

Divine protection from natural calamities is it the same as what you interpret it that the pyramid was build to ward off natural calamities? I thought you have very good English???

Divine protection mean the pyramid are also build for religious purposes and one of those purposes is to pray to their gods for good crops for no disastrous calamity. But what you want to say is that it is specifically build to ward off natural disaster like an amulet.

 

The only reason that this is MOSTLY true for the modern world is because the Catholic Church exterminated sects Christianity that dismissed this claim.

No, buddy, that isn't what I'm saying. How about you don't lie and try to put words in other peoples' mouths, huh? Of COURSE there were natural disasters and of COURSE there were atrocities and of COURSE there were conquests by nations over other nations. HOWEVER, there is NO reason to believe that the Biblical God was involved in ANY of that OR that he exists OR that all the supernatural events in the Bible happened. Do you or do you not understand what I am saying? Because I'd rather not see you ever again blurting out incorrect things about what I believe on the subject.

I find this almost appalling that you say this right after you completely lie about what I am insisting.

Do you even know what warding off means? Yes, they are the exact same thing.

No, I asked you for PROOF that they were built with that purpose in mind.

 

Quote Posted by GraspingforPeace:

Look throughout history, we have explained away almost everything by saying "God did it", and then we started realizing that there were natural explanations for the occurrences.
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Natural laws exist because the universe has a Creator God who is logical and has imposed order on His universe.

But yes, storms, floods, and earthquakes are indeed a part of the present world. We sometimes call them "natural disasters," but they are not a surprise to God. Yes, God certainly can control the weather and send deadly storms.

Some have concluded that suffering occurs because it is beyond God's control. This is incorrect. God has indeed established certain laws and principles that govern nature, but He remains sovereign over these laws.

Psalm 148:8 NLT states, "'Fire and hail, snow and clouds, wind and weather that obey Him."

Yes, God is in control, and has His reasons for all kinds of weather, both fair and stormy.

 

I accept it as ONE of the reasons.

From your link:

"Immediately following the conquest of Khaibar, a Jewish woman prepared a dinner for Muhammad and some of his men. Unknown to the Muslims was that she had put a poison into the lamb (some say goat) that was served at dinner. Muhammad ate some of the poisoned lamb and died as a result three years later"

Are you serious? You think that you can poison somebody and then have them die from the poison three years later? What kind of poison was this? And Mohammad didn't eat the lamb, he spat it out. His companions ate it and died.

The Meccans weren't Jews nor Christians....

I'm not ignoring the fact that there was Muslim aggression. I'm dismissing YOUR claim that Muslim aggression and oppression were the ONLY factors that played into the Crusades and YOUR claim that the Crusaders were completely innocent just because they were Christian.

YOU JUST SAID THEY WERE SECULAR:

You - "former Christian nations are secular"

 

Quote Posted by GraspingforPeace:

The Bible isn't clear at all, it just says God did it. That is all Genesis is. "In the beginning, God created the heavens and Earth." That isn't an explanation as to how it was done, it just says who the cause was. How is that any different from me saying that "Nature did it"?
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It's different because God is a personal living being whereas nature is not a personal living being.

God willed everything to come into existence that is how He did it. Can an impersonal, non-living being such as nature will everything to come into existence?

BTW how do you define nature? What is nature? Before the big bang that gave birth to the universe was nature already existing?

I don't think so, because nature came after the big bang...wouldn't you say?

It takes a lot more faith to believe non-living "nature" created the heavens and earth than to believe a living Almighty God created the heavens and earth.

 

First off, can you prove to me that an incorporeal, personal being can will something into existence? Your question to me is using the wrong terms... Can nature "will" something? No, of course not. It isn't a mind. Can there be some natural phenomenon that creates a Universe or Universes? I don't see why not.

The Universe. All that is. Supernatural is outside the Universe. Your God would be supernatural.

Perhaps in one form or another. All we know is that there was a singularity and for some reason it expanded to everything we know. Since our physics breaks down once we reach Planck Time, we have NO idea.

Well.. no, I wouldn't say. The KNOWN nature came about as a RESULT of the big bang, sure. But I had just answered that nature could have existed in some other form.

Why? We have no evidence to point in either direction.

 

And, given the number of tectonic plates under the ocean, a large number of those happen in the middle of the ocean and, if they happen in a mid-ocean ridge and don't cause a significant rock-slide, will usually not create any sort of large tidal wave.

There's also the matter that, again, ~4000 years ago, most human habitations were small buildings along the lines of one-story buildings made of simple materials. They probably would have collapsed, but not killed everyone inside them.

And, I never said I didn't expect people to die or even some early cities to be wiped out or the like, simply that we shouldn't expect a global scouring of all humanity simply because there is an occasional natural disaster.

However, the population of humanity back then was under 50 million people worldwide, meaning that there were never any massive urban centers until about 200 BCE in China (well after the time period we're talking about). Populations were small and not very dense. As most natural disasters are fairly localized, any given one would not kill everyone, and we'd expect some civilizations to make it through without being utterly destroyed by natural disaster. Were some destroyed? Yes, of course. I have no doubt that there were coastal civilizations and peoples who have been utterly obliterated by tidal waves or hurricanes and we don't even have a potsherd to suggest their existence. However, that doesn't mean that a tidal wave that destroyed a civilization in Asia is going to affect the development of another civilization in western Africa or in the mountains of central America.

 

To the bible literalists, yes the bible is correct. You have been stating it is incorrect.
What is your interpretation of the noah flood. As you have stated in several posts, the flood did not kill everything on earth and save only those on the ark. Your words, paraphrased.
The flood was not world wide, your words paraphrased.

So you don't understand the bible.
You don't believe the bible as written.
You just make stuff up.
Which is it?
1, 2, 3, or all of the above?

 

This answers 1 of the posits.
You make stuff up. There is no one who made the statement you claimed above. NO ONE!!!!

 

Flat out bald face lie this post is. Not the 1st time.

 

You haven't noticed, it does NOT matter WHAT you say. The poster will distort, twist, and make stuff up and then claim that is what you stated. One of the most dishonest folks in all of this forum.

 

Your distorted claims does not support facts of reality, you just said there are thousands of Christian sects if these sects have been exterminated there wouldn't this many sects. Thanks to the Catholic church the true history and doctrines of Christianity was well preserve.

When it comes to lying you lead the way. I don't need to put words in your mouth you have been doing that yourself very well. I understand what you are saying NOW it is good that you clearly clarify your position the position that I have been saying all along that ancient world was no paradise it was a brutal and wicked world struggle against nature and men. No you deny the role of super natural or religion and am I correct you believe that because of your faith that there is no God or gods that contradict the historical records that every known civilization around the world practice religion and religion has been part of human history that can go back as the scientist can discover. So, to totally say that supernatural events does not exist is being ignorant of history.

You kept on distorting things either intentionally or unintentionally.

It is the way you apply it and so far you have been wrongly applying or misinterpreting my post.

I provided you proof you ignore, pyramids were build as a religious and burial ground to the Pharaohs and they were build in the era of Noah flood. Why no more pyramid building after 1500 BC? Is it because they run out of slaves???

Here don't say I didn't provide you with links
http://www.egyptpast.com/pyramids/

 

Its good to get all these different ideas on the table.

We see immediately that the ancient and still dominant church explanation for the Noah story just doesn't correspond with science or even common sense.
Water rising "up to the mountain tops under all the heavens" is impossible and incomprehensible.

But it was once believable and rational.
So the Bible writers would have had to relate to that previous audience.

But, as Daniel said, the true meaning are closed to the church people "until the end time, when knowledge abounds."

So, when we have the knowledge, then the story can make sense, but as a parable or metaphor about what REALLY happened.


Matthew 13:34
All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them: