Part 6 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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  1. Mitt Ryan

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    Quote Posted by Mjolnir on pg. 10 #98 of Part 3

    Irreversible to God? Why didn't he just start over. Why no wipe out Noah along with everyone else, and begin again with a clean slate?
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    How can I answer a question that only God can answer? How can our finite minds ever thoroughly understand the infinite mind of an omniscient God?

    Do you think He should have started all over again but this time make us His puppets so we could only do His will and do everything that is only right taking away our free will?
     
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    I've asked the same question at least 2X to each of the 'know it alls;" - No answer except the caananites were given 400 yrs to achieve the level of wickedness they were suppose to achieve.
     
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    Quote Posted by Mjolnir on pg. 10 #98 of Part 3

    Then why can't we exist on Earth and not sin? Why were Adam and Eve, even prior to eating the fruit, given the ability to sin if it's not required for free will?
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    Because we are not puppets...we all have free will. To have free will means there are choices to make...right ones and wrong ones.
    Adam and Eve exercised their free will by choosing to disobey God even after He told them not to eat the forbidden fruit for they will surely die.

    But because the devil deceived them they chose to listen to the devil and disobeyed God.

    The right choice was to obey God, the wrong choice was to believe the devil and eat the forbidden fruit. Sadly they made the wrong choice.
     
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    That wrong choice was a sin, wasn't it?
    Where did they inherit it from?
    Or is it not inherited at all?
     
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    Quote Posted by Mjolnir on pg. 10 #98 of Part 3

    So then surely any human being with free will can choose not to sin for their entire life, and would therefore not require Jesus' sacrifice to gain entrance to heaven.
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    No, there is no one that has not sinned for their entire life, or will they ever be such a person. Only Jesus Christ was the only one, thus to gain entrance into heaven requires one to believe that Jesus Christ is their Lord Savior.

    Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me." John 14:6 NLT

    Jesus also said, "I am the resurrection and the life. Anyone who believes in me will live, even after dying. Everyone who lives in me and believes in me will never ever die." John 11:25-26 NLT
     
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    Quote Posted by Gorn Captain on pg. 11 #103 of Part 3

    Is it possible for a human (other than Jesus, Mary) to be "free of sin" while alive in this world?
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    No it is not possible. Jesus was the only one sinless.
     
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    Quote Posted by Giftedon on pg. 11 #104 of Part 3

    The flood happened roughly 4000-4400 years ago according to the Bible.
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    There is no where in Scripture that tells us when the Great Flood happened, however there are experts who put the date of the Great Flood at 5,000 BC.
     
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    If Christianity is Christian why doesn't it follow Christ's teachings as laid out by God and Christ in the Bible?
     
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    If there are experts that state this, you should have no problem linking to those experts for all of us to see.
     
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    Quote Posted by taikoo on pg. 11 #108 of Part 3

    We can certainly give a positive account of many things that did not happen.

    The earth was not hit by a giant asteroid.

    The USA was not covered by molten lava

    Nobody was eaten by a T. rex

    There was no flood.

    Its a shabby faith that has to be kept afloat with falsehoods.
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    Sorry, but you just can't give any positive account concerning anything that happened/didn't happen before the arrival of mankind, all you can really do is speculate, guess, have unproven theories.
     
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    Quote Posted by Akhlut on pg. 11 #110 of Part 3

    No one can be sure that we weren't created 5 minutes ago with everything around us having the appearance of being far older, including our memories. Would you then say that you can't trust anything older than what is currently occurring?
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    Oh I am positively sure I wasn't created 5 minutes ago speaking in human perspective terms...lol

    And I and can tell you that I absolutely positively trust the Holy Bible, after all the Holy Bible is the Word of God. Since God is perfectly Holy, we can trust everything He said as written in the Holy Bible.
     
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    Neither can you. His postulates are based on evidence however, all left behind for us to see and investigate. Yours are based on myths from people even less prepared to bear witness to things that happened in prehistory.
     
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    Quote Posted by GraspingforPeace on pg. 12 #112 of Part 3

    So, God can break the laws of logic. Just say that.
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    God cannot perform logical absurdities; He can't, for instance, make 1+1=3.

    Likewise, God cannot make a being greater than Himself because He is, by definition, the greatest possible being. God is limited in His actions to His nature.
     
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    Quote Posted by GraspingforPeace on pg. 12 #112 of Part 3

    Yes, as soon as scientist and atheist discover there are natural explanations the more they ask ask further how, how and how? They are just too proud and arrogant to admit in the end of their how the answer is God. --Quote Posted by WanRen

    What evidence do we have of that?--GfP response to the Quote Posted by WanRen
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    Like WanRen said, they keep asking how, they can't bring themselves to just say they can't really answer all the mysteries that their finite minds are baffled by.

    And have you ever heard scientists or atheists just say...the answer is God because we have absolutely no idea how He did it because we certainly can't explain it with the finite minds that we have?
     
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    Thank goodness that explanation has never been satisfactory to scientists or we wouldn't be here now typing away on this "miracle" called a computer that would have scared the tar out of first century believers.
     
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    Quote Posted by GraspingforPeace on pg. 12 #112 of Part 3

    First contradiction: Mark 16:2 says that they went to the tomb just after sunrise.
    Second contradiction: Mark has Jesus appear to Mary before she goes to the disciples and the women do not tell what they had seen at the tomb to anyone.
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    There are no contradictions, I don't believe you clearly understand what constitutes a contradiction.

    What is your first contradiction in contradiction of?, likewise, what is your 2nd contradiction in contradiction of?

    All these misunderstandings can always be cleared up with logical explanations.
     
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    WHAT??? With God all things are possible. That is the mantra I've heard forever.
     
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    How do you know that somebody didn't just create the world five minutes ago and implant memories into your head to make you think that it wasn't created five minutes ago?

    How do you know that the Bible is the Word of God? Because the Bible says so?
     
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    Scientists don't base conclusions on faith, they base it on evidence. Even if we can't figure out an explanation for a certain phenomenon, that doesn't mean the answer is God. Anyways, saying "God did it" isn't more of an explanation than "I don't know".
     
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    Quote Posted by GraspingforPeace on pg. 12 #117 of Part 3

    Okay, then how did he do it? How did God create the Universe?
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    That's the multi-gazillion billion dollar question that none of us can answer.

    There is no where in Scripture that tells us how He did it, in otherwords God did not give us the blueprint of His creation explaining everything in precise detailed information when He composed His bible.

    I guess He knew it would be too much for our finite minds to grasp the complexity of such amazing creation as seen from the perspective of our human finite minds. Imagine those people during the days of Moses looking at that blueprint of God's creation...they would respond by saying....duh!...lol

    Just the fact that we know the universe is fined tuned gives evidence of a divine Creator that designed the universe. With the speeds we are constantly moving through space isn't it amazing we haven't crashed into another heavenly body out there. Such control Almighty God has on His creation.

    The surface of the earth at the equator moves at a speed of roughly 1,000 miles per hour. The earth is moving about our sun in a very nearly circular orbit. It covers this route at a speed of nearly 67,000 miles per hour.

    In addition, our solar system--Earth and all--whirls around the center of our galaxy at some 490,000 miles per hour. As we consider increasingly large size scales, the speeds involved become absolutely huge! Thank God, He is at the driver's seat in control of His creation!

    It took a supreme life to create other life (plants, animals, human beings) and to create a universe where this life could exist.

    If God didn't exist, then nothing would exist. Wrap your finite minds around that concept my atheist friends!
     
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    Quote Posted by GraspingforPeace on pg. 12 #117 of Part 3

    Other primates are not evolving into humans, that isn't how evolution works. Humans are not the "end stage" of evolution.
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    Is all this based on theories and speculations? So what is your guess into what we humans are going to evolve into next? Do you think we are going to be part human and part machine?

    Maybe our brains will be a highly sophisticated computer or something? Like something out of those sci-fi movies?
     
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    It's part of the diagram of circular logic:

    circular reasoning chart.jpg
     
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    Well, in the next thousand to few thousand years I can guess that our various races and ethnicities will be phased out as interracial and interethnic relationships continue.
     
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    How about you also include the text I was responding to to see what the contradictions were?

    "John 20
    20 Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance.
    2 So she came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one Jesus loved, and said, “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we don’t know where they have put him!”
    3 So Peter and the other disciple started for the tomb.
    4 Both were running, but the other disciple outran Peter and reached the tomb first.
    5 He bent over and looked in at the strips of linen lying there but did not go in.
    6 Then Simon Peter came along behind him and went straight into the tomb. He saw the strips of linen lying there,
    7 as well as the cloth that had been wrapped around Jesus’ head. The cloth was still lying in its place, separate from the linen.
    8 Finally the other disciple, who had reached the tomb first, also went inside. He saw and believed.
    9 (They still did not understand from Scripture that Jesus had to rise from the dead.) 10 Then the disciples went back to where they were staying."

    First contradiction: Mark 16:2 says that they went to the tomb just after sunrise.
    Second contradiction: Mark has Jesus appear to Mary before she goes to the disciples and the women do not tell what they had seen at the tomb to anyone.
     
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    One dark day in the middle of the night
    Two dead boys got up to fight
    Back to back they faced each other
    Drew their swords and shot each other
    A deaf policeman heard the noise
    And came to kill the two dead boys

    If you don't believe this lie is true
    Ask the blind man, he saw it too
     
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