Poles furious after Russia blames them for starting WWII

yes, the USA should have gotten involved as soon as Nazis took Czechoslovakia.

that way we could have also prevented the Soviet invasions.

 

Not wise, but cowards and cannibals. American politicians never fight a strong opponent. Western "allies" in the Second World War, began to really help only in at the end of 1944. When it became clear that the Soviet Union cope yourself. Before that waited. And only then decided to choose The sides of the conflict.
You see a lot of the myths of Hollywood. This is bad for the brain.

 

this sort of silliness, in other words an unwilljngness to be honest is why russia is and will be a third rate backwards place.

 

How it is possible to write such a nonsense!! Please, provide a reference where the leader of LDPR or Putin said that Hitler was a good guy. Your posts become more and more crazy, Litwin.

 

Soon we will see the reality, but not fancy "exceptional nation"

 

here we go , from your official propagandadon Migranyan,

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3c8495d0-c0ba-11e3-a74d-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3my9whdRL

 

Where is Putin's statement about Hitler? I do not see it. The statement of Mr. Migranyan is just his personal opinion.

 

Vis its public domain, Putin stated he agrees with the Nazi-Soviet pact.

Trying to say he is not pro Nazi after that is kind of problematic.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ons-pact-with-Adolf-Hitlers-Nazi-Germany.html

 

omg really? the man who decleared that other nations are garbage for liquidation is less problem than usual dictator with his ambitions) I m not trying to say that Stalin is a pretty guy for Poland but he did not kill a few millions of poles in concentration camps with words they are animals...

 

I think such ideas about stalin (again - of course not a friend of Poland) is mistake for which mentioned millions have paid by their lives...

 

you are lying . Mr. Migranyan is Putin´s personal propagan-don

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+1, http://www.hudson.org/research/1116...ns-all-territories-with-a-russian-population-

 

if Russia wants to avoid nuclear war, they better stop making statements like this.

 

even if Russian invade in Poland and Baltic states (which is of course insane) I doubt that it will cause the nucleare war... reality is a little bit more difficult to make such conclusions

 

if Russia invaded Poland, we would nuke Moscow

 

you would nuke a Moscow how brave) and than next step - we would nuke States hm even if we just blow up nuclear bombs on our territory - this will be the end of this poor world. Do not make statements for which you are not responsible - just a little advice

 

Honestly I'm not sure anymore.

The thing is that nuking Russia for attacking NATO would prompt a Russian response in kind.

So if the Russians attack without using nukes, would the US really risk launching nukes?

I honestly think nukes are the new mustard gas - everyone will be so afraid of the enemy responding in kind to using them that no one will use them unless attacked first, thus meaning they will never be used. All that's required to expose this is for Putin to call NATO's bluff and attack without a preliminary nuclear strike - I guarantee the US will not use nuclear weapons in response to a conventional ground war.

 

even strange that some people do not understand such simple facts

 

Litwin, you are twisting the facts and it is you who is lying. Instead of bringing the reference to Putin, you bring a reference to some man who is unknown in Russia and do not show up publically on Russia TV. Do not be an idiot, Litwin, Putin's father took part in WW2 against Nazis so Putin by definition can not be a person supporting Hitler.

 

Yetzerhara, in the link, provided by Litwin there is no interview, nothing about Putin saying anything about Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.This man - Mr. Migranyan - is not a public person. I assure you I watch Russian TV every day. And I have never seen him on any of the TV channels.

 

1. Why do the czechs have strong dislikes of the poles?
2. Who divided Czechoslovakia which had a military agreement with the USSR and didn't allow soviet troops to help its ally?

Poland was one of the major players which initiated the war. They should have learnt history in some better places than democracy aid organisations.
Soviet occupation of Poland was and is recognised as an act of war. But Stalin had no other choice. If he could break the nazis in the beginning with the help of western democracies or at least with no struggle against it - the WW2 would never start and the borders would stay the same.

The history is about to repeat. It's again a 'strange war' between ISIS and and western democracies who interfere with real fighters of ISIS more than they do against of it. Putin has just told in the UN that there are ways to fight with ISIS which are blocking the accounts of sponsors and fighting with contrabanda of oil and stolen works of art. These sanctions however are imposed on every nation who fight with ISIS but not against these guys. And Putin also told that these guys are not that dumb and its a question who is smarter (dumber) and who uses each other. But some people prefer to stay in their illusion world with a history corrupt by themselves for a political reason. This would resuly in death of 10-100 times more than it happened in WW2.

 

November 11, 1938 - parade in Warsaw.

A month after joint German-Polish aggression against Czekhoslovakia. Simulteneously Germany annexed Sudetenland, Poland occupied Teschin region.

Polish marshal Rydz-Smigly shakes hands with German leutenant-general von Studnitz.

 

Putin condemned the pact. But he was not narrow enough for the western vision of the road to war. In fact the pact was condemned in USSR, when Stalin's policy was criticised as 'not corresponding to Leninist values of policy'. Has the western media ever noticed it? No. Because there is a big difference in what has happened and what you are forced to think.

Here is a link which you have to read as any propaganda 'between the lines'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lames-Britain-wartime-pacts-Nazi-Germany.html

What kind of 'sorry' do western press expect?
Should Putin kneel and break his forehead tearing his shirt into pieces?
He told that it was a mistake in a row of mistakes which have lead to the most disastrous war in history.
The polish and german collaboration has no less responsibility. The resonsibility of France and GB is even more, cause they had every possibility to stop the nazism in the cradle, which they didn't hoping to earn a buck or two on the war of nazists and commies. Does Russia ask for any 'sorry' from the 'allies' for that?

The thing is that a western dummy reading a western propaganda must completely lose the difference between communism and fasicsm, between the extreme left policy and extreme right policy. The only political ideal which he should regard as something completely different is a current rule of 0.1% of multibillionaires, who can easily turn anything normal into a pervert and any pervert into normal. Which is exactly the biggest mistake of communist ideology.

 

Poland and Czech had a non-relationship throug the last 500 years. No friends - no enemies. Poland had its quarrels with Prussia and Russia and later Ukraine, Czech (and later CSR) with Austria and Hungary. The short quarrels of 1918/1919 about Tesin are the only ones they ever had.
Maybe Czech sometimes don't take the Polish for serious and see their poor relatives in them, but I've never seen dislikes, as the czech are in general relative free of dislikes (some general dislikes towards Germans and Gipsys may still exist and today a strong dislike against muslims is building up.)

Czech in 1938 was agressed by one person - Hitler and betrayed by one person - Chamberlain. All other players, France, Italy, Poland and USSR were only visitors. Poland took territorries, that were designed for Germany in Munich Agreement - days before Germany could take them.
Today - when changing borders of foreign countries in banned - Russia is claiming to save countrymen from "so called fascists" in Ukraine - Poland did save them from really fascists some 70 years ago, when changing borders was not unusual.

The end of CSR in March 1939 had to to nothing with Poland, Germany with friendly help of Hungary and slovakian seperatists ended up the country.

Poland tried to survive between the two superpowers Germany and USSR (which they had become in the late 30's) with a strict policy of neutrality. Viewed from 70 years later they had no chance in that day, because:

- getting ally of Germany would have made them to something like Italy, Hungaria or Slovakia - a vasal of a maniac who was designed to start and loose war,
-> this strategy might have worked for a time, as an allied Germany and Poland with an neutral France/GB might have hurt USSR much more than Germany alone did against the coalition of GB, USSR and later USA. Thanks god Poland didn't choose that opportunity.

- getting ally of USSR and letting USSR troops itno the country would have let them into dependance like Lituania, Latvia and Estonia learned only one year later and the polish had to learn too in 1945-1990. Hitler would have been stopped and USSR would have reached the borders they did in 1945 already in 1940.

- getting ally of GB and France let to the well known historical facts.
-> My opinion - if France/GB would have taken strong offensive in September 1939 to western Germany, Polish army would have hold its territory and Stalin would have kept quiet. But that was not Polands fault.

 

But he was useful enough that the outcome of WW2 was not guaranteed to be in the Allies' favour thus he was persuaded to commit tens of millions of troops in a second front to fight the Nazi. A very useful ally in defeating fascism but it was business as usual by 1946.

 

That wouldn't be very wise and would guarantee America's destruction.