Poles furious after Russia blames them for starting WWII

no, Im just debunking the myth that Poland never existed before 1919.

 

BS about incompetence of Red Army leaders? Well ... let me take a look on some things:

Before final attack on Berlin, the Red Army massed artillery on the River Oder (about 40,000 artillery guns, rocket launchers etc.) before crossing and here they put in several ADA searchlights to lighten the battlefield too. Result:

Because CnC of German Forces - General Heinrici - fought since beginning in the East only, he knew what will happen. As he told: "The Red Army is attacking always and again and again with the same plan". When signs of coming attack were crystal clear, he gave up the first defense line and pulled back all troops = the first artillery strike with more as hundred thousands grenades hit nothing, but destroyed attack area to a crater ground and made it lesser crossable for the Red Army and so the attack not only slowed down much, but cause heavy losses of German counter fire (reaction of Marshal Shukov: "These damned Nazi bastards! They learned to much from our attacking and hide in 2nd and 3rd line" ... and the German retreat was btw reported to his staff too, but no one changed anything)!
Furthermore ... the switched on searchlights marked the attacking Red Army from behind and made them excellent targets ... this caused (source memories of Shukov) about 400 Russian Tanks and several tens of thousands soldiers killed and wounded ... but no one switched these damned search lights off, even Troops please hard to do so!

No Red Army incompetence, but superior Germans the reason for this all?

 

Everyone from high military officers made mistakes during the war. It does not mean the incompetence. Even if incompetence took place from time to time, it did not devaluate the victory.This is at least strange to state that since Soviet generals are responsible for higher losses than it could be in the battles in Poland, Polish people should not value this Sacrifice. Actually, the city of Krakow was going to blow up, but due to the fast action of Russian army, it managed to preserve the city. Only for this Poland should be grateful to Red Army.

 

Sure ... all Generals make mistakes and this will cause unnecessary losses.
But what you forget with your thankful demand of Poland against Red Army to be liberated from German Nazi scum is one point:
Who attacked Poland on 17. September 1939 due to agreement done on 23. August 1939?
Who make during re-occupation in 1944/1945 much crimes in Poland, particularly in these Eastern Parts which USSR conquered in September 1939 and which become then again part of USSR?
My wife is from Poland and her Grandmother was with age 14 together with her mother and her little brother sent to Siberia from City of Brest. Reason and crime why was:
a) Grandmothers mother was teacher in basic school
b) The husband fled in 1939 to England and fought and died in Italy 1945 in Free Polish Army

The little brother died in 1946 in Siberia and they returned to Poland in 1949 ... later as many German POW ... and they were not allowed to go home because Polish, but to resettle in city of Poznan! Is this something for what Polish People should be thankful for red Army?

 

There is no 'right of conquest'.

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Poland as a sovereign entity was not on any maps for a long time before 1919.

 

My mother and grandmother suffered a similar fate after the Russians murdered my grandfather for the crime of being in business and making money. They were deported to Siberia as forced labourers; eventually after the war making their way, as refugees, to Palestine via Persia, and from Palestine to England. They could not return to their homes because their town was now in Soviet Russia after Churchill and Roosevelt generously donated the Eastern half of the country to Stalin. The rest of Poland remained under Communism until the 1980s. Poland has nothing to be grateful to Russia for-especially after events like the Warsaw Uprising when Stalin stood by and did nothing to help the Poles or prevent them from being massacred by the Nazis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Uprising#Soviet_stance

 

I have already told you for what Poland should be grateful to Red Army. The deportation of people to Siberia has nothing to do with the Red Army itself. Many Russians who were captured by Germans during military actions and who were placed in the concentration camps were also deported to Siberia.

 

Honestly ... IMO Poles must not be thankful, because these Red Army losses were not done to liberate Poland from Nazi Scum, but only because Poland laid between Red Army and goal to conquer Berlin and so must be passed in fight to reach Berlin!
Further ... Red Army was organ of USSR and the deportations were done by and in name by USSR and in detail with help of Red Army ... aside NKWD troops.

 

If Russians were honest, they would say the whole truth. Poles were just stupid pawns who were sacrificed by the real masters of warmongering.

Polish ambassador Jerzy Potocki named the real warmongers, and these people are still warmongering.

 

and they are?

 

Mandelus, if Red Army was only bypassing Poland on the way to Berlin, why the hell it took care not to destroy Krakow and many other cities in Poland? Do not forget also about letting out huge number of people from Auschwitz-Birkenau. In fact, when I was on the excursion there the local guide (by the way young girl) said a lot of good words about Russian Army. So luckily not all people in Poland have short memory. You are wrong. Red Army had nothing to do with deportations. NKVD troops did it. It is the same difference as between Wehrmacht and SS troops.

 

OK, lets do a difference between red Army and NKWD ... but I did not tell something about bypassing, because this was not the case. They had to go through Poland to reach Berlin.
Why Krakow wasn't destroyed is simple and has nothing to do with honorable Red Army here. The Nazi authority - Gauleiter Frank- ordered the evacuation of German civilians and the German Army made no attempt to defend the city, because they retreated further to river Oder. So Red Army entered an undefended city in 1945.
Of course liberated Red Army the concentration camp and death factory of Auschwitz ... but if we stay in Krakow and Jew topic: Please explain why the Soviet authorities and the Polish Communist regime suppressed the bourgeois and aristocratic tendencies of Krakow on one hand, but did nothing against the Pogrom against survived Jews in Krakow on 11. August 1945 on other hand?

 

Poland had existed in various forms and borders for many centuries.

It was partitioned into non-existance by the Russian, German, and Austro-Hungarian Empires, by 1795.

after WW1, the League of Nations decided that Poland shall again exist, along with a nation-state for Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Czechs, Slovaks, Carpathians-Ruthenians, and others.

Stalin, in 1939, chose to ignore the will of the international community, and destroyed the independent of many of these nations.

 

Krakow was mined, as many as other places throw which the Red Army should have to pass. But Intelligent Service of RA did not allow to make an explosions in the city after Germans left it.
I did not know anything about Pogrom you are talking about. Looks like this is a not well know events. I looked in the Wiki about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krak%C3%B3w_pogrom
Found that Russians had nothing to do with these Pogroms. It was internal affair of Poland, caused by no way the presence of special Russian forces in Krakow. In fact, there were almost no deaths during these events, therefore they are hardly can be called Pogroms.

 

You are funny, you talk all the time about Stalin, but say nothing about Hitler who equally attacked Poland in 1939. Kind of double standards.

 

remind me when Angela Merkel blaims Poland for the German invasion in 1939.

then we can talk.

 

That minefields were laid and booby traps etc. was usual and nothing special. Point is that no German units stayed in city as for example in Wroclaw or Koenigsberg (Kaliningrad) or Gdansk ... and so there was no fighting, bombing and so on = no destructions!
Of course was it an internal affair or Poland, but nothing happened in Poland at these days without USSR permission or control. The 56 old Auschwitz survivor Róża Berger was shot, about 5-10 people injured. Interesting is that from these 25 people which were later brought to court for it, most were non communist Polish Partisans and part of the court was an NKWD officer, not only Poles.
So yes ... the Russians had nothing to do with the Pogrom here so far, but they used it!

 

"And yet there have always been two of Poland, one of them fighting for the truth, and other reptiles meanness" - Churchill.

Actually,those reptiles meanness have nothing to be grateful to Russia

 

So what that Merkel does not blame Poland for German invasion?This fact does not mean that Hitler is not responsible for attacking Poland. I do not see your point.

 

There was no German army in Dresden as well, nevertheless it was bombed by US/British airforces to the ground. So the fact that Krakow stayed preserved is a merit of RA. IMHO.

 

ok..........