Post proof a god exists.

AboveAlpha...… I believe that you are correct that a fully developed and understood UFT will certainly lead to such questions as.....


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_evolution

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Now perhaps I am guilty of reading something into the words of Linnaeus that he may not have intended.... but it does seem that he was open to the idea of a Creator..... God....... learning........ and getting better and better at creating?!

At this time the idea of the "Evolution of God"........ is not dealt with very much at all...… but I believe it is implied in the conception plus nine month gestation period of time of humans?????!


Genesis 1:26

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"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."


Super Strings + Super Waves x The Law of Complexity Consciousness = "I think therefore......"YHWH/ I am that I AM!!!!!"

 

No, Evolutionary theory is not founded upon the Anthropic Principle. Origin of the Species was published roughly 150 years before the anthropic principle was first postulated,

BTW the anthropic principle is actually a philosophical position with its variations being merely operating assumptions lacking any evidence whatsoever.


the big bang was also not a foundation of the theory of Evolution, since it was not even conceived until roughly 70 years after Darwin.

Really, you should not take apologist websites as authoritative when it comes to science.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic_principle







It was the Weak Anthropic Principle that Stephen Hawking Ph. D. was elaborating on in chapter 13 of "Stephen Hawking's Universe.[/QUOTE]

 

Understand that a Probability exists that a GOD used the Processes of Quantum and Biological Evolution to create the Universe...perhaps Multiverse and all things living or not within them.

But that Probability goes down when that GOD is defined as the same existing or advertized by ancent texts and books such as the Torah, Bible and Koran.

The Probability goes UP dramatically when the definition of such a GOD is left undefined.

A STATISTICAL IMPOSSIBILITY exists at anything that has a Probability of existance at or exceeding 1 in 10^150.

The Probability that a GOD exists as advertized in the Torah, Bible or Koran exists at 1 in 10^178th thus a STATISTICAL IMPOSSIBILITY...but not zero.

AboveAlpha

 

The notion that the creator has been learning/evolving has considerable support. The process involves exploring possibilities and finding out what works productively. Complexities produce winners and losers. Performance drives conception of improved designs.

 

This makes no sense when you look at things upon a Universal or Multiversal Level.

In order to know and understand what all possible cause and effects will be from the point of the existence of our Universe to it's end point requires the ability to know the location of every Particle existing....and as Quantum Mechanics is showing us that a Multiversal System most likely exists.....it takes a UNIVERAL SIZED Data Storage Facility to do this upon a Universal Level and a Multiversal Sized Data Storage Facility...to do this upon a Multiversal Level.

Such idiocies as the concept that a GOD made man in it's image is laughable after thinking about this.

AboveAlpha

 

Performance assessment can be done without knowing all there is to know about every existing particle.

The multiverse system is not incompatible with a creator.

Keeping tabs on myriad interacting units of existence is a process that must have been started from the beginning when the universal oneness subdivided itself. The exchange of information on a large scale demands adequate data processing capability. Thus the allocation of digital arrays within the larger consciousness system was inevitable. That is why a phenomenon such as remote viewing is possible. The information is there, even to the point of providing past probable scenarios and future probable scenarios, as has been reported when a new building was viewed and identified at a site before it was built.

 

OK...you don't know what you are talking about as far as what I posted.

The concept of a GOD existing as advertized in the Bible, Koran and Torah would necessitate certain capabilities.

Such capabilities would require what I have posted.

The idea any GOD that is capable of creating the Universe and Multiverse and all things and living things within it and need to learn is just laughable.

AboveAlpha

 

Maybe I am wrong about this……. but an explanation for the Big Picture…… that truly makes sense even out of injustice…… is one form of evidence that we are in the middle of something that has been thought up and planned……. Near death experiencer Bev Brodsky was an atheist until her brush with death brought her face to face with……….. G-d?!


http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=368603&p=1064640415#post1064640415

Could God the Father be the most emotional being in the universe/ multiverse?

Which type of project will you tend to get more involve in?

A job that you invested fifty hours of your time in over one month or a labour of love where you exerted a great deal of effort for 50,000 hours over forty years?

…….(post #4)….
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/judaism02.html

If consciousness and intelligence….. and a striving after "ethics" began in a more fundamental form of energy than we are able to experiment with at this time…….. then would planning and choreographing a nearly infinite number of Big Bang type events tend to make The Ancient of Days the FAther and the Ancient of Days the Mother (perhaps the Holy Spirit/ The Shekina Glory of G-d)………… deeply emotionally attached to this creation…… and especially to humans…… who may well have been given creative capabilities comparable to YHWH/ HaShem/ The G-d of Abraham????!

And….. if a nearly infinite number of Big Bang type events were planned…… and engineered…… would this make "Fundamental Energy Mom and Dad" the ultimate in scientists…… inventors…… educators??????!

Might they even…… as many teachers tend to do…… even wax artistic….. .and theatrical……. in order to teach their "children" some of the truly big lessons???!

 

We both know that the traditional God-concept is backward and outdated. I do not challenge your contention against it.

Not at all laughable except in relation to the false ideal cited. The master consciousness is fully capable of creating and supporting all that is. His mind is whizzing along 10^28 times faster than ours. The picosecond event changes occurring in the initiation of the big bang are child's play to the master.

Design, creation, and outcome are not laid out in total perfection in one fell swoop. The outcome of complexities are not entirely predictable, especially because of the allowance for free will and other variables. Thus actualizations must be allowed to run their course and prove their worth or unworth so that the unworthy can be left to wither. New possibilities branch off from existing patterns; those that are assessed as promising can be developed and tried out. It's a fractal process.

Our space-time reality arose from the need to derive a constrained subset from the primary nonphysical reality in order to overcome limitations of a kind of spontaneity that was doing too much of a complex rehash. But such a digression should not be dwelt on in this discussion. The works of Tom Campbell should be consulted.

 

“Each <human> is one with the creative energy that focuses them into existence and holds them there in the energy of love without excuses or judgment. Just as the creator has no greater love of one creature than another, all are held in the highest esteem, all are then expected to do likewise (in wisdom).

The love of the creator and of the energy of creation is…one of absolute support. If it were not so, it would be withdrawn at the least excuse and your experiences would be short indeed.” (II-9/432-437)

“The prayer of becoming…can set the stage for opening the consciousness….When it is further combined with a conscious clearing of accumulated negative attitudes and letting go of false doctrines from the awareness, it brings about clearly detectable vibrational increases observable by each individual. As the individual vibrations increase, the ability to connect to the source is enhanced. The connection itself begins to enliven and allow the body to receive a greater quantity of supportive energy. It is as though this flow of vital energy has been <previously> squeezed or pinched so that the flow is barely enough to maintain life. Contrary to what is taught, without this flow of energy from the source that focused each into being, life cannot be maintained in the body. At the center of each focus of awareness and within the physical body is a connecting point that receives this energy flow. When this energy flow is broken or withdrawn, death occurs. The more intense the negative energies that are active in the body such as anger, fear, hate, etc., the less energy the body itself is able to receive of the already diminished flow.” (II-7/335-343)

From Embracing the Rainbow. Copying is unrestricted except altering the wording or text is not permitted.

 

As the individual vibrations increase, the ability to connect to the source is enhanced......

Does this mean that it would improve my putting when I play golf.....Im a lousy putter......

 

Impressive quotations Galecski7238. This helps to explain why Dr. Masaru Emoto got such amazing results.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAvzsjcBtx8
Water, Consciousness & Intent: Dr. Masaru Emoto

 

Using my own experiences and knowledge in Mathematics, Physics, Quantum Mechanics, Multiversal Theory, Cosmology....etc....I do not think a GOD exists as an ENTITY that could be comparible in Human Thought or Ethics.

This does dot make sense nor is there any evidence or logic to think a GOD would be an INDIVIDUAL CONSCIOUSNESS.

All one has to do is look at NATURE.

It is a FACT OF NATURE that everything becomes food for something else.

Nature is BRUTAL...VIOLENT...and UNFORGIVING.

AboveAlpha

 

I'm guessing that the intellect is crowding out the motor skills. If so, it is an unbalanced undertaking. Connecting to the source might get you a tendency to take a more balanced approach.

 

Clear as mud...I thought I was onto something....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=airT-m9LcoY

 

Some years ago there was a toboggan competition in which a particular team was up against a challenging course and strong competition. They did not do as well as expected because, according to one insider, their main man focused too intensively on calculating critical maneuvers. He should have instead relied more on his motor skills.

Something similar seems to happen when focusing and dwelling too long and hard on tossing something into a waste basket several feet away. A better score seems to be obtained by turning into the task and allowing just enough time for the mind&#8217;s eye to assess the task and then get on with the toss.

In golf putting endeavors, awareness and judgment of terrain irregularities etc. are necessary, but I would think that proficiency in the physical action is also a matter of honing motor skills.

Thus you can leave pursuit of the arcane part of the mud problem out of the golf formula. Spiritual/consciousness development is a separate option.

 

Actually the ability to not overthink shooting a crumpled up piece of paper into a basket or tossing a Basket Ball into the hoop is specific to MUSCLE MEMORY.

This does not mean our Muscles actually have or retain memory but what it does mean is our Brains memorize the specific applied muscle movement and force...velocity..etc....when making a shot at a variety of distances, angles, environmental concerns etc.

Thus when a person over thinks things they interfere with their own muscle memory.

I am an expert at throwing knives....and firing weapons....using a bow...etc.

I don't THINK about how hard or how fast or what angle I should throw a knife....I just look at the target and let my bod do the rest and I hit the target...every time.

Same thing with a bow as I use both Compound and Recurve.

The Compound has a set force of release upon the arrow unlike the recurve but I still have to be able to hit the target whether stationary or moving....thus I don't think....I just DO.

When using Rifle, Shotgun or Handgun....same thing....as if I am hunting Pheasant or Skeet Shooting I must shoot at a target moving at variable velocity and at different angles as well as at distance and either going away or at or across from me.

My mind has already locked it the timing of the velocity and movement of the bird shot at variable distances and angles thus I don;t think....as if the bird or skeet is traveling away and at angle from me I follow ahead of the bird or skeet with the aiming end of the shotguns barrel and my leading distance to target is automatically calculated by my brain dependent upon distance and velocity and angle and I just fire.

This takes PRACTICE of course.

But once your body and mind is acclimated to the automatic calculations....you don't AIM....you just track and fire.

AboveAlpha

 

It is often claimed that since the Atheist does not believe in a Creator, the onus of proof is upon the one who believes in a Creator to provide the evidence and the Atheist need not provide any proof, since one cannot prove a negative.

However, the reality of the situation is not actually like that, and this is where the origin of the mistake lies when people do not read the situation for what it is. This in turn affects the course of argument. This is how it is: We are dealing with "self-evident truth (bayyinah)" verses "conjecture (dhann)." Never, forget this. In a debate with an Atheist, this is what is taking place.

So let's elaborate upon this: It is a self-evident truth (bayyinah) that anything showing all the features and hallmarks of handiwork, craftsmanship, contrivance and design is designed and is made intentionally (for whatever purpose or wisdom it exhibits). This is actually a self-evident truth that does not need evidence.

http://aboutatheism.net/?thplvig Ibn Taymiyyah on the Reasoning of the Atheist

 

Well this is a Great Big Pile of Steaming Crapolla! LOL!!!

I am not an Atheist and I certainly am aware that Logic Dictates the Burden of Proof to be upon the individual claiming something to exist.

AboveAlpha

 

But but, who created the creator?

 

I met God on a downtown train. I said "Well I'll be a monkey's uncle." He said, "You're nuts. I wouldn't even want to be a human's uncle."

What sets a genuine god apart from anthropomorphic conceptions is an absence of ego, whereas humans need a staunch ego to cope with fear, counteract inadequacy, and maintain all sorts of delusions about self-importance and how the world works.

Individuated units of consciousness are presumed to have originated from a larger source consciousness. The debate continues as to whether consciousness is merely a product of brain organization and function or is a phenomenon with connections to a nonphysical realm. The phenomena of remote viewing, NDEs, and OOBEs suggest external activity.

In this biosphere, nonhuman inhabitants possess limited degrees of consciousness and awareness and must focus on the basics of existence. Humans are a step above that and can contemplate possible additional steps upward.

 

There are a great number of Non-Human Sentient and Conscious Beings that exist at a very high level of conscious awareness.

Gorillas, Chimps, Bonobos, Orangatuns, Dolfins, Whales, Seals, Walrus, Dogs, Cat's, Crows, Parrots, Ferrets, Lions, Tigers, Bears...OH MY!!!

Humans might exist at the top of the Food Chain....but we are not alone as far as Sentience.

AboveAlpha

 

Evolution couldn't work, because, well gee, it just couldn't - after all, I gave it some name from the Qur'an or something.

 

Douglas Adams:

" This is rather as if you imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in — an interesting hole I find myself in — fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!' This is such a powerful idea that as the sun rises in the sky and the air heats up and as, gradually, the puddle gets smaller and smaller, frantically hanging on to the notion that everything's going to be alright, because this world was meant to have him in it, was built to have him in it; so the moment he disappears catches him rather by surprise. I think this may be something we need to be on the watch out for."

 

the burden of proof is ALWAYS on the claimant. even more so when said claimant makes up criteria for argument like "we'll agree that sh"t must be made by a sky fairy because I don't understand how it works".

you're so far out of your depth I feel like throwing you a line.