Post proof a god exists.

Researchers cite a number of methods by which cells adhere to each other or to other objects, e.g. biochemical methods or methods involving hairlike structural extensions from cell walls. Magnetism doesn't seem to be one of the cited methods. I think you are loosely speculating. It's safer to speculate on less tangible issues.

 

AboveAlpha……. if somebody could elaborate on a theory…… that is based on Isaiah 45….. that leads to the foundation being laid for the paying off of the national debt of the United States…. by the year 2017…… would you consider this evidence that Isaiah chapters 40 to 49 was inspired by beings with a greater level of insight than the most brilliant human on earth could possibly have?


http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=391591&page=4&p=1064681919#post1064681919

"Could G-d be planning another Exodus? But this time from the USA?"

… (post #34)….

 

This is somewhat off topic but a Rayburn Goen M. D. elaborated on how the eight nutritional sugars can have astonishingly positive effects on himself and the group of people who he convinced to take significant levels of these sugars for four months or more. It was later discovered that these eight sugars were causing long hairs to grow out from cells in the human body that seemed to be assisting cells to communicate with other cells??????!

 

Dennis...the problem with that is ANYTHING CAN BE ASSOCIATED TO ANYTHING ELSE.

It is known when done VISUALLY as MATRIXING.

It is also called MATRIXING when done associating specific words, sentenses or ideas within any statement or text written or spoken as it can be applied to ANYTHING....be it historical events or possible events.

It is like looking at CLOUDS and associating that CLOUD with a DUCK or COW...or person....etc.

Thing is I can read Isaiah 45 and associate it to a NFL FOOTBALL GAME....A TV SHOW AND MOVIE.....WORLD HISTORY....POSSIBLE FUTURE EVENTS.....A SOUTH PARK EPISODE.....WHAT HAPPENED TO ME TODAY.......etc....and that was just right off the top of my head.

AboveAlpha

 

Look into any mirror and find out.

 

Looking at the history of humanity, that might be proof of the existence of satan.

 

Could be...

 

Quid est veritas, AboveAlpha?

 

It sounds to me like you're confusing evidence with proof, the two are not interchangeable. If I say "there is evidence for the existence of Hamm's Special Light", I don't necessarily have proof, whereas if I say there is proof, I necessarily must have evidence.

It's also kinda like this - if I say I have $100, then I must by necessity have $10. In this analogy some people have said, "i have $10", and you've said, "alright, show me that hundred dollar bill." You've got the chain backwards.

The obvious problem is the matter of interpretation. Science isn't free of that problem - human interests/desires/beliefs influence science. For example, if you look at a series of bones layered in the dirt - and they're carbon dated at 10, 50, 100, 300, and 500 million years, it'd be reasonable to assume (as most of us do) that they died in those places and that there may be a link between them (i.e. evolution), but what's the proof? Even this plainly obvious thing (which I'm not disputing the truth of) doesn't have proof. But it's entirely possible that you could have a different theory of earth's history which the evidence would then corroborate, informed perhaps by preexisting beliefs.

As far as evidence for *a* God, not a particular deity but just that there is a deity, I submit this - every civilization has had an innate desire for God. In all of history (so far as I'm aware - if you have a counter argument I'm interested just for the historical anomaly). I submit it's still possible for that to be true and that no God exists, but it'd be the greatest of peculiarities. It'd be the only universal innate desire (such as to procreate, eat, sleep, learn, etc.) Which yearns for a non existent thing.

 

In the thirteen years that I have been somewhat addicted to this type of discussion forum I have never ran into anybody quite like AboveAlpha. He obviously has at the minimum fifty IQ point more than I do, he is certainly one of the most well informed posters that I have ever had the pleasure to debate with and....... he has a gift for being truthful and capable of putting himself in somebody else's shoes and taking their point of view seriously...… even though he disagrees with them...… that is clearly in the top one percent of the top one percent of the population of North America?!

HaShem/YHWH/The G-d of Abraham bless you and guard you....... YHWH watch over you and be gracious to you....... YHWH shine H-s face upon you and give you Shalom - Peace!

 

Extremely well said Troianii!

It is also possible for what we are convinced is proof of one thing to actually turn out to be powerful evidence for something quite different.

For example...…back in the 1990's I read both of Helen Wambach Ph. D.'s books on her studies of visions of past lives.

To me.... .what she found out is powerful evidence for "karma" which to my thinking is "proof" for a vastly higher intellect than we humans possess while in the waking state but........ I have to admit that my friends from my old church who would assert that the Helen Wambach Ph. D., Dr. Chet Snow and Dr. Ian Stevenson research is actually evidence for the power of the dark- deceptive side of the force..... well......… I really can't rule out that theory because author Joe Fisher, in his book "Hungry Ghosts" did present a powerful case that there seems to be something well informed but deceptive..... behind at least some parts of the "channeling" movement?!

On one hand..... Joe Fisher met people who certainly seemed to be able to tell him things that they could not seem to have known humanly but.......... these people often led him off in a direction that was dangerous........ or would financially benefit the psychic and harm Joe ....... so..... for anybody to be highly suspicious of this type of phenomena is certainly understandable.

On the other hand........ it is hard to imagine that "Satan" or deceptive groups of poltergeists have the power to arrange for children to be born with birthmarks or moles exactly in the area where supposedly they were killed in a past life?!

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation01.html#a03
3. Birthmarks and Birth Defects Corresponding to Wounds on Deceased Persons

Would something very close to proof for the existence of angry/ deceptive/ but well informed poltergeists and/or a Satan or fallen angels.... not imply the existence of much higher powers than us..... and would that not imply a Creator that would be even above this dark side to psychic phenomena?!?!

If there is proof that intelligence exists in fifth, sixth, seventh and eighth dimensional space time...… does that not powerfully imply that there must also be intelligence in even more fundamental forms of energy? (String Theory, plus The Law of Complexity Consciousness, plus NDE accounts..... www.CarbonBias.blogspot.ca/)

 

I enjoy reading AA's posts, although I've never had the opportunity to engage him tête-à-tête up until now.

I will also admit that I find the challenge that he presents in this thread intellectually stimulating to say the least. The reason I chose to respond in the same fashion Pontius Pilate responded to Jesus during the latter's inquisition is that this challenge begs the question Who or what is God?

Am I God? Is Nature God? Is God some all-powerful entity that exists beyond and around us? Is God the animating life force that exists within all living beings?

If you pose that question to any diverse group of people you're bound to get any number of answers. Even if I can prove that I am God or Nature is God, does that mean other people are going to agree with my proof? Is my Truth their Truth?

Again, Quid est veritas?

Thank you, Dennis. My best wishes to you and yours, as well.

 

I believe that the time is coming when our most brilliant scientific minds will realize that this simplified explanation is right on target......… sound plus light is what is used to form everything!

http://www.near-death.com/andreason.html#a10

 

I already KNOW I am good looking.

What else you got?

AboveAlpha

 

John chapter 18, verse 38 of the Gospel of John

What is truth?

Jesting Pilate eh? LOL!!!

TRUTH....is SUBJECTIVE.

FACT....is REALITY.

AboveAlpha

 

Fact is something believe to be true or real. www.tfd.com/fact definition 2.c.

See the thread entitled "what is truth".

 

There was a young man who said, though
It seems that I know, that I know
But what I'd like to see
Is the "I" that knows me
When I know, that I know, that I know...

 

AA responses show only ignorance (meaning near total lack of knowledge, not meant as insult) when he attempts to criticize the belief in the existence of God, or for that matter any subject I have debated. Anyway ;

I John 4:12
No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.


Colossians 1:15
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature.

I Timothy 1:17
Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Hebrews 11:27
By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.

God's form is as invisible to we Christians as a black hole is to the secular science worshiping types. Just as we know a black hole or something like it exists because there are evidences of a massive gravity source in space. Many of the evidences of a black hole are circumstantial some are not, but a black hole is invisible. The same goes for God. There are many evidences, many circumstantial, most discussed at length here at PF that God does exist. If many types of evidence can be used to claim the existence of a object that effect entire galaxies then different types of evidences can be used to suggest a ruler and creator of the universe.

reva

 

This one never registered with me before...

Colossians 1:15
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature.

 

Margot2.... I have a wild idea for you..... let's just imagine for a moment that Lucifer was once in the image of a Pegasus..... a winged horse?!

Let's imagine that once The Ancient of Days the FAther and the Ancient of Days the Mother somehow gave birth to the seven spirits of G-d.......(perhaps 14 Elohim, seven male and seven female)...... or perhaps took the Elohim down to four dimensional space time in a human form that at that time.... The Ancient of Days the Mother and Father spent less time with Lucifer......… because they had kids.......... and Lucifer got jealous - envious???!

The Psalms combined with REvelation reveals that a cherub.... can look like a horse.......


Psalms 18:9,10

"He bowed the heavens also, and came down: and darkness was under his feet."
"And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: yea, he did fly upon the wings of the wind."




Revelation 6:2


"And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. "


Revelation 19:11


"And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war."

 

But.... would seeing something along this line surprise you?

http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/index.html

 

Intellectually stimulating ? ROLF! The question of what who is God is basic Sunday school material!

God is the entity that created the universe and gave it the ability to create sentient life. God caused the universe to begin to exist.

Truth is not subjective. The entire population of the earth may or may not contain one or more individuals that know the attributes of God. The good news is God gave us a brain and it can choose Christianity or atheism etc. If there were only one or no Christians that does not detract from the truth of Gods existence. So know the only complete truth is the mind of the creator ie what is known by God.

reva

 

But......… here is a rather basic idea that we can attend Sunday School for years....... and hear very little about?!


http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/

Most types of Sunday School tend to get into a heaven vs hell........ saved vs lost....... us vs them....... mentality?!

 

Quid Est Veritas? The mens of Deus est solus verum. vos votum ut reddo hic. Deus est verum pro tantum Deus teneo.

verendus

 

Saying the material is known by Sunday school children was a euphemism
for what I wanted to say. God works in mysterious ways.

Sunday school for adults are like that, sometimes worse, ie 'is a burning lake of fire for humans' ? (I am in the minority and say no!). There will always be a discussion of details, but the core message of Christianity ie enough to save souls is clear and easy. It is; Believe Jesus as lord and savior, repent of your sins and the rest is important but not necessary for salvation.

Information as in the URL you presented is not taught in Sunday school because its not Christianity or a religion, its spirituality and would be taught in say a masters program (theology comparative religions etc). Thanks for your reply and the civil tone. Btw the material you posted is interesting. I have read a bit about similar material and it seems to be in lock step with some cutting edge quntaum physics, maybe truth lies just beyond the quantum world?

reva