Post proof a god exists.

Atheism is a claim. Agnosticism isn't.

 

yeah. that's why some are agnostic antitheist atheists, like moi. no clue!

 

Such creativity!

I'm frequently amazed by the struggle to reconcile the notions of a perfect all powerful all knowing and timeless God, an imperfect creation, and what we have observed through scientific endeavors.

This one seems like the blender was set on "chop" - a better setting than the "puree" used all too often.

 

... and don't forget Reality here, too.

Reality gets jealous.
Reality will make a species extinct if it tries to live elsewhere, in some fantasy world.

 

Life fits Reality like a glove on the hand of God.

Reality provides everything life requires while demanding obedience to the one rule, adapt as Reality changes in the future, or live Reality forevermore.

 

You will have to explain your meaning here as it could go several ways.

AboveAlpha

 

Actually..... I am of the belief that the Supreme Intelligence/Creator...… is far far far far more than merely willing to become an Uncle to a human....... Creator seems to be much like a scientist who is extremely impressed with humans and other sentient life forms here in four dimensional space time........ and is "in" each of us far far more so than we might tend to imagine...…


http://www.near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation04.html#a05

 

Very true.......... our two dogs have given all of us a level of unconditional love......… that is pretty astonishing.

One NDE in six involves a meeting with a deceased pet.........… the language of dolphins and whales indicate that they have intellectual gifts that we humans can barely begin to imagine?!?

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/animals01.html


"Jan Price's Near-Death Experience With Her Pet Dog"

 

I have ran into evidence.... .that perhaps it is the "God" part of us........ that takes it on the chin when a mom decides to have an abortion in the first trimester????!


http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...ambach-ph-d-research-ndes-issue-abortion.html

The Helen Wambach Ph. D. research, NDE's and the issue of ABORTION??!!



Helen Wambach Ph. D. did a fascinating study on volunteers who were hypnotized in which they reported having some sort of higher dimensional consciousness that existed before birth. This consciousness came into the foetus at or near birth!!!!!!


........Christian Andreason was shown that our Creator always views us as our real us....the Man/Woman on the Throne...that is within each of us!

My conclusion is that it is probably this higher level aspect of our soul that endures a first trimester abortion!!!!!!





Christian Andreason, Chapter 2:

http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/

 

The Creator may well be justified in having pride and satisfaction because of all his successful and productive accomplishments that include this world and its inhabitants. Whether or not he can and does keep track of minute details and trivial dramas is debatable. It can be argued that progressive evolution is effective and efficient on a gigantic scale because it is a largely hands-off self-regulating process.

Space-time and our little corner of it (earth/solar system) is our playpen, and we are its little baby-god monsters who have a hard time growing up.

In our space-time physical/material reality, beings experience a fairly close connect between cause and effect. This tends to foster responsibility for one's intents and actions in a learning process that can be either fast or slow depending on how many lumps the individual must incur before realization sinks in.

It's not entirely like that in the parent nonphysical reality which does not have our space-time basis. Its inhabitants function in a more loose mind-space, thought-form existence. Whereas we experience stricter constraints and more logical consistencies, they have much more wiggle room and can more readily squirm their way around responsibility because of greater uncertainties and available dodges. Paranormal existence grants more possibilities and more freedom of choice but it's not the best place for a kindergarten.

 

Phenomenally well said Galecski!

Over these past 25 years as I researched NDE accounts and compared them with out of the body experiences...… I noticed a significant difference between a full fledged NDE where a "Life Review" of some sort takes place.... with a mere OBE... where there is no life review with a being of light.

A simple OBE could be compared with the parents going away for the weekend and the teenagers of the house decide to have a PARTY....... but a NDE with a life review...… seems far more guided and structured in a way that gives more direction in life to the experiencer?!


http://www.near-death.com/experiences/research24.html
The Life Review and the Near-Death Experience


It seems to me....... that those really really really bad scenes of our lives........ once we finally put them in perspective...… will make fantastic "Before vs After" scenes........ in an epic reality film that is our lives...… because this threescore and ten or less or more years that we are given.......... set us up to become humble........ and grateful and much much nicer to everybody that we will meet throughout eternity........ once we learn the "Law of Attraction!"

 

Why would a creator create life on this planet where his creations must consume other creations to survive?

 

Perhaps because beings composed of more fundamental forms of energy have embarked on certain experiments and those beings can be taught a higher level of empathy if they will spend a certain amount of time within a human body…… or even in the body of an animal???!

Genesis 28:12
"And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it."

http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...ichard-eby-verifies-old-earth-gap-theory.html
NDE of Dr. Richard Eby verifies old earth and gap theory.
I was impressed with the explanation given for the fall of Lucifer which would quite possibly fit with an earth that may well be 4.5 billion years old.

Apparently a lot happened between the original creation of the earth and the time when the repairing of the earth was made necessary due to an attempted coup d'etat by Lucifer and the angels who decided to follow him!!

 

You could not accept it. You would simply give a promissory note, that the future will prove what is found isn't god, but something else explainable by future theory.

For you have something that really doesn't exist, and that something is certainty. Yet you believe you have it. But its just faith, and the history of science itself shows us just how certain, certainty actually is. In your own certainty, you show a deep lack of basic intelligence. No offense intended, just pointing out what is obvious to those people who understand certainty, and how fleeting it has been.

 

Looks like god feeds upon himself. He self sustains. Doesn't need any outside help. A self sustaining system is what I would expect from a creator. Pretty smart to do it like that. And he never loses anything. Doesn't have a waste basket.

 

Cuz Widdle Bunni Wabbits arwa Oh So Tasty?

I kiwlled da wabbit!

He kiwlled da wabbit!

Aww wight yoo wascally wabbit come out of dat howle soes I can bwast youes wit my weepeeting wiffle!!!

Waaaaa!

AboveAlpha

 

So...your telling me I have a LACK of basic intelligence huh?

Hmmm...

And this is coming from a guy who doesn't understand basic Physics or Chemistry?

If memory serves me you also have a penchant to use FAIRY TALES to justify your continued ignorance of reality.

AboveAlpha

 

What would make you say I don't understand either of those? Have you given me an exam? Have you graded my papers? Could I not do, as you do, and puke up the information that is today accepted, but that tomorrow may change? Is it because I refuse to do as you do, and claim certainty?

You think you have, you believe you have, you have faith that you have a handle on reality. Yet man's understanding reality has been an understanding greatly subject to change, and has always been so vastly limited. It is still vastly limited, and therefore will always have uncertainty present. Yet you exclaim no uncertainty. And that sir, shows that no matter what you can puke back up, you are basically lacking real intelligence. For intelligence is much more than committing the words, the ideas of others to memory, and then using that as a sword, as if all of those ideas were the last word on reality. When you know full well the history of what you find refuge in, science. It takes one major discovery, into what is unknown, to totally change the paradigm. This has happened in the history of science, and no doubt will continue to occur. Yet from this background, you claim certainty, and if that isn't a deep lack of fundamental intelligence, then hardly any thing can be. That is the problem I have with people of your mentality.

If you take the universe, and seek to understand it, this is done by an accumulation of knowledge. And historically, what we thought we had certainty in, turned out to be wrong, in many cases. And so we correct it, and follow the new line of understanding, accumulating knowledge as we go along. Yet when you take the universe, and then life, what we actually know, that is irrevocable is so small, so limited. Now, instead of this giving a person humility, instead for some people it gives them an arrogance, an arrogance that can only be there due to a lack of fundamental intelligence.

The truth today, in regards to reality, is that we still do not know which end of our universe is up. We think we might have a small grip on it, which could very well slip through our fingers, yet we claim certainty. A consensus is just a bunch of monkeys agreeing to something. A consensus in itself is only proof that a group agrees on something. And when it comes to some questions, the foundation that is being used to agree, is theory in which there is no way to test it. So, its agreement on ideas, on mental creations, which may or may not be reality. But since you hang the word science on it, they become more credible than if you hung the word religion on it. And then comes the certainty, that all of these ideas are in fact, true. And you tend to stray into these areas quite often, calling them fact. When all that they are, are just ideas that do seem to have coherence, but we do not have the means to prove them, for the universe isn't so easily subjected to a controlled lab, when it comes to the really big questions.

So, you say with certainty, there isn't such a thing as a Creator. The other guy says he is certain that there is a Creator. Yet neither one of you in actuality can have certainty. Yet both claim it. And if that isn't a lack of intelligence, then what is? You say he is not to be found when one looks. But that is a meaningless statement. For there are many things we didn't know existed, that we could not see or find, until we finally did. But in this case, that would require that you actually look for a Creator. But why would you look for something that you with certainty said does not exist? That would make you insane, if you looked for something that you with certainty said does not exist. So, if it does exist, you could never, by your own volition ever find it. You become a self fulfilling prophesy. And this isn't intelligence at work, its something else. It's being self confined to a little box or your own choosing. Is that intelligence? I think some people just see it as being obstinate, as demanding a small box that is comfortable, and being in fear of wide open spaces. What ever happened to Open Minds? Does religion and science as we know it today, created Close Mindedness? Well, apparently it does. And the cause for that is Certainty, a feeling of it, which is not intelligence in operation.

You have me confused with someone else if you say I believe in fairy tales. I don't believe in them, nor do I believe in all of these untestable scientific theories, that are little different from fairy tales, in that they involve a creative thinking brain. You have no problem believing in them, for they fall within the realm of speculative science instead of speculative religion. What I do believe in, is the obvious limitation in scientific knowledge, even as I cast out the silliness of anthropomorphic gods that act like human beings on a bad day. But I do think that it is more likely that consciousness is the fundamental ground of what we call reality, instead of matter. For I want meaning in this universe, it's a personal quirk. I find a universe with meaning far better than the one you believe in. You can call me a human being for wanting meaning over a meaningless universe. Lots of my kind have always wanted that. Yet unlike you, I will claim no certainty that my thinking on this matter is truth. For I know, that to make such claims is utter nonsense. That is intelligence operating. But unlike committing the ideas and words of others to memory, to puke back up when needed, this intelligence cannot be taught. One either is, or isn't. That is how we get so many highly educated idiots.

 

OK....let's take a look at this part of the above you posted....

You...One Mind posted..."So, you say with certainty, there isn't such a thing as a Creator. The other guy says he is certain that there is a Creator. Yet neither one of you in actuality can have certainty. Yet both claim it. And if that isn't a lack of intelligence, then what is?"...end quote One Mind.

I will tell you what IS A LACK OF INTELLIGENCE!!!

YOUR INABILITY TO REMEMBER I AM AGNOSTIC!!!

YOUR INABILITY TO REALIZE I HAVE NEVER STATED A CLAIM THAT A CREATOR DOES NOT EXIST WITH 100% CERTAINTY!!!

You ask WHAT IS A LACK OF INTELLIGENCE???

WHEN A PERSON SUCH AS YOURSELF ASSUMES......A..S..S..U..M..E......when a person makes an...A$$...out of...U...and...ME....ASSUMES....THAT JUST BECAUSE A PERSON IS INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD IS THE BEST EXISTING METHOD ALLOWING HUMANITY TO UNDERSTAND REALITY AND DEVELOP TECHNOLOGY AND USE BOTH QUANTUM AND BIOLOGICAL EVOLUTION FOR THE BENEFIT OF HUMANITY............

..................DOES NOT MEAN SUCH A PERSON IS AN ATHEIST!!!

I really don't need to make my point any more as you have done this for me oh so beautifully.

OH....perhaps next time you will be more careful posting to another member and tell that member they LACK BASIC INTELLIGENCE...just because that member does not agree with your RELIGIOUS BASED TRIPE....OR...ERRR.....IDEOLOGY.....before YOU YOURSELF POST YOURSELF INTO AN IDIOTS CORNER....like you have in this case.

So for the time being....PUT ON THE POINTY DUNCE CAP.....because we all want YOU to THINK about what you did!!!

And DON'T LET ME CATCH YOU POSTING INSULTS TO OTHER MEMBERS YOUNG MAN!!!

Especially when THE BIGGEST INSULT....has been perpetrated upon the members of this Forum everytime they read one of your posts!!!

AboveAlpha

 

So, I question someone who professes absolute certainty, and he gets mad. Ok, keep professing it if you must. And apparently, you must. Honestly, I cannot believe I am even having this argument. LOL. No one should ever have to point out the utter nonsense of claiming certainty, in the areas you do. LOL

Glad to hear you are agnostic. At least that is one thing you claim not to be able to know.

 

Again....you are posting things that contradict your own posts and ideology.

You state I am someone who professes absolute certainty......yet YOU continually PROFESS YOUR ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY A SUPERNATURAL ENTITY YOU CALL A...GOD....EXISTS....and not only that but is responsible for the creation of the Universe, Humanity and all LIFE....as well you profess certainty that such an entity you call GOD exists in the manner advertized in the BIBLE.

You profess such a GOD existing like this with complete certainty....YET....you cannot provide even the tiniest of any possibly existing evidence that could be used as a PROOF or at the very least some viable evidence that could at least SUPPORT your claims.

Since you are well aware of this...rather than attempt to PROVE A GOD EXISTS....as you know you can't as no evidence of a GOD exists.....you instead spend your time doingwhatever you can to throw doubt into such logic and evidence filled SCIENTIFIC METHOD BASED THEORIES AND REALITIES!!

Yeah....you say I profess certanties?

You can't even back your own professed ideology.

AboveAlpha

 

I am prevented from giving a reputation bonus right now for you....so just know I tried.

 

Thanks....I appreciate the thought. LOL!!!

As I KNOW...at least YOU THINK...before you post.

AboveAlpha

 

Creation is an exploration of possibilities, and progressive evolution is not constrained by ethics. It is said that bulk food is unnecessary in realms where the ambient vibration is high enough and energy is freely provided for absorption from the overall medium. Our system is a relatively crude physical material-based arrangement. Energy is stored in matter and utilized through the chemical reactions of metabolism (the mitochondrial Krebs cycle with its ADP/ATP engine).

 

Bulk food is necessary on a planet that consumes other life forms to survive. Magnetism forces our cells to stay together in a body form of life.