Practical discussion: gun storage

Discussion in 'Firearms and Hunting' started by Galileo, Aug 20, 2018.

  1. Galileo

    Galileo Well-Known Member

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    An average of eight children a day are unintentionally killed or injured by guns kept at home. 4.6 million children live in homes where firearms are not safely stored. Over 75% of school shootings start with children having access to firearms that are not stored in a safe manner.

    As a gun safety advocate this is a topic that deeply concerns me. Here are some tips to safely store your gun:

    1) Store your gun in a secure location that is inaccessible to children and guests.
    2) Store your gun separately from any ammunition.
    3) Use a gun lock.
    4) Discuss gun safety with your family.
    https://endfamilyfire.org/
     
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    Utter nonsense. More cooked figures from the gun haters' propaganda sheets.

    You're not a "gun safety advocate", Galileo, as your posts show. Then you post a link from a gun banning organization.

    What you cite achieves nothing but keeping people from having access to defensive firearms. Gun locks are actually known to CAUSE accidents. You need to get some real training in real firearms handling and storage, because if this issue "truly concerns" you then you shouldn't be posting propaganda that makes people LESS safe.
     
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    Xenamnes Banned

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    Show the citations that support such claims.

    Such is both a practical and physical impossibility.

    Ultimately for what purpose? If the firearm is already rendered inaccessible to either children or guests, then ultimately what is the point of storing the firearms in an entirely separate location from the ammunition? Such would not even be proposed in the first place unless it was being acknowledged that the first proposal cannot actually be accomplished in a practical sense.

    Again, ultimately for what purpose? If the firearm is already rendered inaccessible to either children or guests, what is the point of disabling the firearm with an external locking device?

    This is the only proposal that actually makes any sense. Educate children that firearms are not toys, that they are dangerous if used incorrectly, and that what is seen in films and on television should not be imitated in real life.

    https://endfamilyfire.org/[/QUOTE]

    The link itself is of no legitimate value, as it ultimately does nothing more than try and frighten individuals into refraining from exercising their constitutional rights. All the while failing to address what children should do if they ever actually find a firearm outside of the home, which happens quite often due to the recklessness of law enforcement officers who frequently lose track of their duty weapons.
     
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    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    When looking at children dying from gunshots, GCAs are as deceptive about the numbers a they are when they count suicides as victims of gun violence.
    When considering gun safety, how many children die because of unsecured guns. There is fostered narrative these deaths would not occur if methods of securing guns were mandated.

    But, when looking at the numbers, how are children defined and counted (what is the age criteria?)
    How many die in gang violence?
    How many acquire gun from sources outside the home?
    Securing guns by any means does not completely prevent secured guns from being stolen,mthen accessed and made operational anyway.
    When advocating mandated means of securing gun, how many lives would actually be save considering not all deaths can be attributed to guns sourced where guns were not secured?
    Why should people be mandated to secure guns when they are not mandated to secure toxic chemicals, prescription drugs, kitchen knives, tools, car keys, etc.

    So, again, how many?
     
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    Galileo Well-Known Member

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    Same old song and dance from you.
     
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    LOL, it must be 1 month since your last fake post.

    Please reset your schedule so you post on the 1st of the month to mark a new month, then at least we get something good out of your crap.
     
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    Galileo Well-Known Member

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    http://www.bradycampaign.org/sites/default/files/eff-gun-safety-tool-kit.pdf

    Why would storing your gun in a safe manner be impossible?

    If your children find the place where you have hidden your guns having your guns unloaded and secured with gun locks will make them more difficult to misuse.

    It's interesting that you become selectively outraged about children's safety being threatened by LE when the much greater danger is in the home.
     
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    The pediactrics link at the bottom of the Brady Campaign flyer said 1.69 million rather than 4.6 million. Some of the other links in the Brady Campaign flyer simply don't work anymore.

    My children know exactly where my guns are stored - in the 400 pound gun safe that they don't have access to.

    And guns aren't even the great danger. Firearms deaths and injuries for children and youth 17 and under in 2016 were 104 and about 2k in 2016; fire/burns accounted for 400 deaths and 90k injuries in that same year. Outside the home was even worse if you look at passenger or pedestrian deaths for that demographic.
     
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    The brady campaign is devoid of credibility. Cite another source that has not made itself known for pushing political ideology at the expense of facts.

    The statement on the part of yourself pertaining to storage of a firearm was not "in a safe manner" but rather "in a secure location that is inaccessible to children and guests." Such is not a physical or even practical possibility. If one devote enough time to a task, such as gaining access to a firearms safe, anything can be done. The sides and back of the safe are extremely easy to cut through compared to the front and require little effort, especially on common budget safes. If the safe utilizes a key and the key itself is found by children or guests, then the safe is serving no purpose.

    Unless the key is stored in an unsecured manner so that it is easy for the legal owner to find in case of an emergency. In which case the locking device serves no purpose in existing or even being used.

    Except for the fact that the greater danger in the home is not unsecured firearms. As far as deaths in the united states amongst minors go, firearms are one of the lowest recorded causes. Drownings, suffocation, and falls all account for more deaths among minors than legally owned firearms.
     
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    Pretty common sense stuff. I don't know of any law-abiding gun owner with children, in this day and time that aren't responsible and keep their guns either locked up or in their control at all times. We discuss gun safety with our kids. Per the WISQARS database on non-fatal injuries, the number of children 18 and under accidentally injured by guns has gone down from over 4000 a year in 2001 to around 2000 a year in 2016. Per the WISQARS database on falat injuries, the number of children 18 and under accidentally killed by guns has gone from 154 in 2001 to around 100 a year in 2016. This is not something that is getting worse, it's getting better.

    https://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/nfirates.html
    https://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate.html
     
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    If you go back to 1990, the last year that WISQARS allows custom age groups, the unintentional death rate due to firearms has declined almost 80%.
     
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    No song. No dance. Simple truth; something you apparently can't comprehend.
     
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    My guns are loaded and ready to go, locked in my safe. The only exceptions are my and my wive's EDCs. They are under our control.

    My youngest kid will be 17 in a couple of months. 17 is the legal age of being allowed access to guns in Texas. He already knows how to operate every gun I have and shoots often. He will soon have the combination to my safe.(provided he stays out of trouble and has no behavior issues that make me not trust him) The safe is in my bedroom and not normally easily accessible to him without my or his mother's consent.

    Also, when I found out that I'm going to be a grandfather, I gave my 25 year old active duty military son a pistol safe for his pistol and trigger locks for all of his other guns. The keys to the trigger locks are kept in his pistol safe. My granddaughter will be here in January.

    I do my part, so if you decide to support infringing my gun rights, I will politely tell you where to go.
     
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    You know Galileo, in the old days they used to teach the children safety in the public schools. They might start the kids off with archery to teach them about responsibility, and then slowly work up from there.
     
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    gun safety is a deceitful term gun banners now adopt to bamboozle the sheeple into thinking gun confiscation or bans isn't their real goal
     
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    Keep your firearms locked up.

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    Agree with #1, especially when someone has children. Also a good idea to lock up any guns when no one is home in the rare chance of a break-in.
    Personally I think numbers 2 and 3 are overkill. If your guns are locked in a safe there is no need to also have a gun lock or store ammo somewhere else. I'm good with just having the one gun safe for my gun and ammo. Personally I don't see the need for yet another safe to store my ammo separately.
    #4 is a no brainer....except for the countless morons whose children have gained access to their gun that was left accessible and accidentally killed themselves or someone else. For some reason these people struggle with commonsense.
     
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    Any gun not intended for immediate use should, of course, be locked in a safe.
    Guns intended for immediate use - that is, defense of the home - are another story.
    Personally, I keep mine unloaded with the magazines immediately accessible.

    The anti-gun left took a big hit when the SCotUS ruled a legal mandate to secure a firearm violates the constitution.
    :clap:
     
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    A legal mandate to secure a firearm still wouldn't get morons, who don't know enough to not leave a loaded weapon accessible to a child, to secure their weapon(s). So the mandate would be pretty much pointless anyway.
     
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    If you intend to use your firearms for home protection then they are utterly useless if they are stored securely. If you are the victim of a home invasion then unless your weapons are immediately to hand then they are worse than useless (because the time you spend trying to get then is time you could have spent finding other ways to protect your family, escape or hide).

    One solution would be to have one or more firearms securely holstered about your person at all times and for that same precaution to be adopted by all responsible members of the family. There's no point you being out in the yard while your wife and/or older children are unarmed and in the house. At night those same people should have a weapon immediately to hand on a nightstand, under a pillow or somewhere else you will instinctively reach for in the event of a home invasion.

    By all means secure your sporting and recreational firearms, but those for home protection must be immediately accessible.
     
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    They know they cannot be truthful with respect to their goals, so they lie.
    Its that simple.
     
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    Doesn't the NRA promote gun safety? I know the instructors for my gun safety course promoted gun safety. The Boston police who administered the shooting test I had to take also promoted gun safety. Seems promoting gun safety isn't just a 'gun banner' thing.
     
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    Gun control advocates use the term "gun safety" as a smokescreen to their real agenda.

    True "gun safety" is proper and safe manipulation, and storage, of firearms. The NRA, of course, has done infinitely more to promote true gun safety than any gun control group; no matter how much the gun controllers try to hide their controlling agenda behind the euphemism of "safety".
     
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    Same term applied to different activities. If GCAs supported gun safety, they'd support the NRA.
     

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